IACGMOOH 10 - Crocodile juice and deluded mumsnetters!

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Just a new wee thread for you all 😉

What’s worse, celebrities acting like politicians or politicians acting like celebrities? Because there’s no shortage of actors and presenters using their platform to spread their banal political ideologies when they should be sticking to their day jobs

You cannot be serious. Celebrities don’t have important jobs effecting the lives of thousands/millions of people. Can you really not see the difference?!

@Miss03852 I completely disagree! Celebrities are in a position to influence thousands of people because there are people out there who are either vulnerable or stupid enough to listen to the absolute crap some of them spout!

@Mezmer Perhaps if MPs actually did their job to help serve the people of Britain then other people in the limelight wouldn't need to step in? For example, if the Tories has voted to extend free shool meals into the holidays for schoolchildren during the height of the Covid pandemic then Marcus Rashford wouldn't have needed to use his platform to talk about his experiences of food poverty as a child which made them u-turn on the policy.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1350839/Free-school-meals-vote-How-did-my-MP-vote-Who-voted-against-free-school-meals-evg
Matt Hancock voted against extending the free food provision to children in receipt of free school meals during Covid. He might have voted differently had his stint in the jungle come earlier as he now knows what it's like to go hungry.

Celebrities are in a position to influence thousands of people because there are people out there who are either vulnerable or stupid enough
Does this include people who vote a certain way because celebrities think they should do the opposite?

@bloodyplanes Almost zero celebrities admit to voting Tory yet they win every election. I think you’re very naive.

For me, re the whole Matt Hancock/politically vocal celebs thing, it boils down to one thing: They have all agreed to take part in a light entertainment show that is meant to be escapism for viewers. They went in not having a clue who they’d be in camp with. Viewers want to see over pampered celebs covered in slime and spiders and telling funny anecdotes by the camp fire. It’s a formula that’s worked for 20 years. To go on, be all righteous that someone ‘lesser’ than you has come into camp and start having mini tantrums about “well ^I’m* not gonna like him!” Is beyond pathetic. They’re all in the same Z-list fest reality show. No one is better than anyone else. And the fact that the people who decided to take it upon themselves to ‘challenge’ MH all left early (bar Mike) and the ones who just chilled out and worried about getting on with everyone have stayed in, speaks volumes.

I don’t want three weeks of rich privileged people whining about sharing a space with another rich privileged person. Especially when a whinger is a member of the RF (who have their own fair share of controversies and Uncle Knobheads). Nobody does. It’s not the right platform.

It's not really 'whinging' though is it when you feel aggrieved that the Covid rules in place stopped you from spending time with a dying relative (Charlene's aunt) or a parent in hospital (George's Mum) and then the very person who had delivered that messaging on the Covid rules was found flouting it themselves then turns up in your camp.

It actually put the other campmates in a quandry. As Moyles said he had to separate Matt Hancock the politican with Matt the campmate (& wannabe celebrity who should actually have been at work as an MP which is his job.)

But Matt Hancock didn’t declare unreasonable restrictions based on his own evil dispositions. He took advice from a man who later got knighted because at the time we thought it was a much worse virus and it was about protecting people.

Ive said this before but I’m surprised so many people on MN are annoyed that restrictions were in place - at the time most people on here were calling for MORE restrictions to go on for longer and fewer rights to do things like visit people in hospital.

As an aside - I didn’t watch the Wales series but weren’t they all freezing cold all the time?! Wales, outdoors, in November?!

It was an indoor set.

I'm not annoyed at all that restrictions were in place, I think they were warranted at the time as we had nothing other than social distancing to halt the virus (until the tremendous work by the scientists on the vaccines was completed.) I am annoyed that the key people in Government (the PM and Health Secretary Hancock) put them in place but were later uncovered to be hypocrites who thought THEY were above following said guidance for the common good. That's the reason a lot of people mistrust and dislike him now.

Hancock was part of the team that presided over the policy of discharging patients from hospitals into care homes in the first months of the pandemic and then told the public they'd 'thrown a protective ring around care homes' when in fact they had allowed Covid to spread like wildfire through the oldest most vulnerable populations. www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-uk-care-home-crisis-ring-matt-hancock-commons-a9522561.html
At last the inquiry is underway & there will be a lot more difficult questions for Hancock to face than those his campmates asked him!

Still it was in a castle - must have been Baltic! I’m cold and I have central heating in a proper house!

@Miss03852 no that is exactly my point! We the general public don't like being lectured and pontificated at by "celebrities"! Most celebs are left leaning but tend to be very hypocritical and its a case of do as i say not as i do! Hence the protest votes for the tories and Brexit! In camp Charlene was especially hypocritical, harping on about " impartiality" constantly when she was anything but impartial!

For me, it’s that he’s been utterly boring the whole way through - apart from a few “hilarious” tales that were actually also quite dull and/or made up.

Nothing against him other than that but I also found it quite annoying that he was seen as “one of the bookie’s favourites” for no earthly reason I could fathom.

I thought that showed a said of Matt that hasn't been seen.

Putting someone else forward.

I've seen him volunteer but not push himself above others. But that was putting someone above him.

I don’t like the way he kept asserting his manliness. I actually found it quite sexually aggressive. He is a big guy and he’d sit with his legs apart and go in for hugs with everyone without checking it was ok first. It looked to me as if he was overstepping physical boundaries as if I was in there I wouldn’t want to hug him. The budgie smugglers: they were a show of his sexual superiority. The way he picked off Sue as his ‘camp wife’ when I thought that made her quite uncomfortable. She described him as you notice as her ‘camp brother’ when she got evicted. He talked a lot about his balls. He also boasted a lot about behaviour on rugby tours and hinted how the jungle trials were easy in comparison. I found this sexual aggression repellent and a bit unnerving like that feeling you got when you were a teenager in the presence of a creepy boss or teacher.

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There are people of the same opinion on this thread, any political thread on here, on the show and within the msm. They genuinely do believe that only those who think like them have valid opinions and that they are morally unassailable. It’s actually frightening, but you know, anyone who disagrees is stupid, and shouldn’t have a voice. It’s how totalitarian ideologies take hold.

The thing is many people hold dear to the fact that government’s position should not be solving every social issue there is out there. They believe social issues lie with families, the church, the mosque, communities themselves etc. Go and read about Big Government and Small Government and it’ll help you understand the philosophies behind why the left and right vote what they do.

Yes this is very true.

This was why there was so much issue around the 3 line whip before Truss resigned. Because they were told or not to,d but we're hinted to that it was a whipped vote. And those who didn't turn up would have the whip removed.

Politics is a very dirty business.

'Hancock was part of the team that presided over the policy of discharging patients from hospitals into care homes in the first months of the pandemic and then told the public they'd 'thrown a protective ring around care homes'

Again, for the trillionth time routine stuff needed to be cancelled and folk well enough had to be sent home. We had all seen China and Italy hospitals be overwhelmed, they needed to free up space for the surge. If they hadn't acted so quickly critical care and other departments would've been overwhelmed. Care homes should've had more stringent measures in place to keep those discharged isolated, as they do in any viral outbreak. Of course testing before discharge would've been ideal but widespread testing was not available it wasn't as if they just cba.

The ring of steel I presume refers to the no visitors policy to protect their relatives which if you recall folk moaned bitterly about too!

So pleased that smug, so very boring Tindall has gone. I can only imagine how po faced itv telly presenters will be Mon am that MH got to the final. I bet Denise Welch who hasn't shut up about him on Twitter, will be be fuuuuuuummin

So it was the care homes fault? Do you know how difficult it was for care homes to get PPE or even hand sanitiser at the beginning of the pandemic? Have you any idea how difficult it is to isolate someone with dementia when the care sector was suffering from a chronic lack of staff?

As @LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet said it’s a game. A show. That the public want to watch people squirm shriek to a certain extent but to man up and do trials

same thing that has happened for 20yrs

if you don’t like the concept. Don’t watch iacgmooh

don’t watch it but moan about it

Love it.

I may just record LW for the first time ever purely to witness the self-righteous one's meltdown who herself is no stranger to infidelity, alcohol abuse or cocaine.