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I have made the terrible mistake of starting to watch The West Wing again

288 replies

BlueRaincoat1 · 07/10/2022 02:05

... on Prime.

Sigh. I have watched it all before, but not in years. Maybe 10 years. I love it so much. I'll never get to bed at a reasonable hour again 😫So many episodes!

What are your favourite scenes? Best episodes? It's so brilliant, every time.

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Farmageddon · 13/10/2022 10:45

I never watched this before, as I was a bit young when it came out but just started watching because of this thread. I really like it so far - love CJ.

CaveMum · 13/10/2022 10:57

I’m so jealous @Farmageddon! soak it all, you’re going to love it so much!

Farmageddon · 13/10/2022 13:44

CaveMum · 13/10/2022 10:57

I’m so jealous @Farmageddon! soak it all, you’re going to love it so much!

I binged last night and I'm already on episode 6 - I guess that's my weekend sorted.

Have a weird crush on Toby now...not sure where that came from.

Furries · 14/10/2022 01:02

CaveMum · 07/10/2022 21:45

So jealous of those just starting to watch it for the first time! Be prepared for all other TV to be ruined for you, it’s as close to perfection as you can get!

Am going to start it tomorrow night, I’ll come back to haunt you if I don’t like it.

I was only 8 years late to the game with starting Breaking Bad, so I might as well up the timeline with this one!

DameHelena · 14/10/2022 09:29

Farmageddon · 13/10/2022 13:44

I binged last night and I'm already on episode 6 - I guess that's my weekend sorted.

Have a weird crush on Toby now...not sure where that came from.

It's not weird; he's immensely crushable! Witty, smart, impeccable comic timing.

sweatyannie · 21/10/2022 19:28

On the episode when Leo passes.

In tears as it is genuine grief by the cast 😢

MiniCooperLover · 21/10/2022 20:05

The finale of season 2 when President Bartlett walks out of the White House in a storm with Brothers in Arms playing on the way to declare if he'll stand as president again after Mrs Landingham's funeral. Shivers every time ...

StarCourt · 21/10/2022 20:06

@MiniCooperLover I watched that last night and loved it

Leakygutter · 21/10/2022 20:08

I keep expecting that it won't have aged well. That all the "banter" will be cringey now, but no, it's still better than anything else on TV.

StarCourt · 21/10/2022 20:14

@tigger1001 Leo dies????

Leakygutter · 21/10/2022 20:22

I like the bit where Sam and Leo's daughter are arguing over public schooling after Leo set him up for arguing the wrong side.

CaveMum · 21/10/2022 20:27

StarCourt · 21/10/2022 20:14

@tigger1001 Leo dies????

The actor, John Spencer, died whilst they were still filming the final season. They didn’t have much choice.

dudsville · 21/10/2022 22:43

Leakygutter · 21/10/2022 20:08

I keep expecting that it won't have aged well. That all the "banter" will be cringey now, but no, it's still better than anything else on TV.

Me too! I do find the theme tune a little cringey now, and Bartlet comes across to me differently now compared to when i was younger - I was recently at the episode where he kept the other guy up until the wee hours talking about state parks and that seems mean and manipulative to me now, but I'm loving it so so much! Such a great show. Thanks OP for the tip to rewatch it!

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 21/10/2022 23:19

I'm just back from watching Aaron Sorkin's adaptation of To Kill A Mockingbird. Absolutely incredible production, and the script was fabulous. Had that trademark razor sharp wit, and then had us all sobbing moments later. Just amazing.

Farmageddon · 22/10/2022 14:17

I just finished the second season and really enjoying it so far. For some reason President Bartlett is one of my least favourite characters, he's too sanctimonious or something.
Anyway love the rest of them, crush on Toby is growing. I hope he gets a love interest to cheer him up.

Also love Mrs Bartlett - I thought I recognised her, so I looked her up and she was Rizzo in Grease!

sweatyannie · 22/10/2022 17:32

I finished it ! 😢

Looking for a dummy's guide to the US constitution and electoral system !

beguilingeyes · 22/10/2022 18:35

Farmageddon · 22/10/2022 14:17

I just finished the second season and really enjoying it so far. For some reason President Bartlett is one of my least favourite characters, he's too sanctimonious or something.
Anyway love the rest of them, crush on Toby is growing. I hope he gets a love interest to cheer him up.

Also love Mrs Bartlett - I thought I recognised her, so I looked her up and she was Rizzo in Grease!

I thought Toby and CJ should've been a thing. The chemistry was there and I didn't like Danny or Andi very much.

Vitriolinsanity · 23/10/2022 12:37

I first watched when I was pregnant. DS is now 15 and we just finished our third re-watch together.

Agent Sunshine
Leo
Mrs Landingham

Every time.

Vitriolinsanity · 23/10/2022 12:38

If he had been a girl he was going to be Claudia!

SarahAndQuack · 23/10/2022 13:40

I absolutely love TWW and re-watch it regularly. But there are things that do make me sad:

  • They are all so, so sure that Roe v. Wade is here to stay (and equally sure gay marriage won't happen for decades).
  • I notice the casual homophobia more than I used to (yes, yes, it's of its time, yes, they get a huge lot of things right, and yet ...).
  • This is the big one: I have to admit, at the age of 38, that I am never going to be CJ Cregg. Moreover, CJ in season 1 is now younger than me. Donna is considerably younger than me. How is that fair?! Grin
SarahAndQuack · 23/10/2022 13:47

Oh, and I am catching up slowly, but I don't think the show is as twee/positive as some people are saying, or that Bartlett is made to seem perfect. Isn't he pretty deeply compromised? He lied. He knew it was a lie, and he made out it was just an omission. At various points various staffers are disappointed in him (especially CJ). I think often there's a sense that he jokes and charms his way past serious issues - especially foreign relations. There's the Women of Qumar for you. I don't think he ever really makes up for that.

And personally, I really dislike the bit where someone mentions that he's spent time 'personally' counselling women not to have abortions.

And yes, he's a horrible husband and father, and quite often a right bully. I am not sure how much Sorkin intended this; my hunch is that Sorkin simply doesn't realise that these traits make Bartlett unlikeable, but I think the later writers were perhaps a bit more aware and a bit happier to explore the negative sides of a cult of personality.

Also ... yes, I love Toby, but can we talk about what a shit he is to Andie? She's desperate for a baby, he gets her pregnant, he proposes again, and then after his big 'babies have hats' moment, he can't be arsed with it. He doesn't bother to see the kids unless it's as a way of getting some time with Andie. And there's a really nasty throwaway joke when Josh is complaining about Donna's over-wordy emails from Gaza, and Toby responds that he doesn't have this issue with Andie; she just emails 'three words: see your kids'. The implication I take is that we're meant to find him sympathetic: poor man, what a nag his ex-wife is. Grrr.

SavetheTofu · 23/10/2022 20:48

I think you’re right, @SarahAndQuack — Sorkin in particular simply didn’t clock his own misogyny. (And homophobia, but I’m only in the first season of a rewatch, and it’s the attitudes to women that strike me most so far.) And while I gather Martin Sheen was the one who wanted to make Bartlett a devout Catholic, there’s a lot of offensively folksy-trad, handwavy stuff.

HanleyGirl123 · 23/10/2022 22:59

Vitriolinsanity · 23/10/2022 12:38

If he had been a girl he was going to be Claudia!

Mine is! 😁

DuchessOfPaddington · 24/10/2022 10:28

Ah, I am late to this party but I have found my people. I am a huge huge fan (my DS is a Josiah known as Jed) and TWW is my comfort telly, especially over the last few years when the idea that the people in charge might be generally kind, clever and competent seems a total fantasy.

We are our billionth rewatch and have just started s4. I agree with pp that Toby is bloody awful to Andie in the flashbacks and the whole ‘I can’t have a baby today’ bothers me so much more now that I am older. The sexism of the early episodes really hasn’t aged well, either. Jed’s ‘look at these remarkable women’ at the end of The Crackpots and These Women’ makes me want to vomit and ruins an otherwise superb episode. I also really noticed a horrible trope this time around of one of the male senior staff taking apart a much junior staffer or intern with their clever logic bombs. It is such a wish-fulfilment fantasy for a certain type of nerdy clever man who wishes he could do it in real life. I think we’re supposed to clap and cheer at their rhetorical skills but it is always always a powerful man doing it to a junior woman with no power. Sam does it to the woman who is offended by his sexist comments to Ainsley (who then joins in!) and Josh does it to the temp who is wearing a Star Trek pin.

DeireadhFomhair · 24/10/2022 22:57

I've watched TWW a million times already, but you've inspired me to watch again! My favourite episode/scene is Josh's secret plan to fight inflation, although there are definitely cleverer scenes. I also love when Danny gives CJ the goldfish, she doesn't understand why he's giving her a fish.... because it's goldfish crackers that she likes, not actual goldfish 🐠