Love Island Thread 6 - I'd rather have a pint of elephant juice thanks...

[TitsInAbsentia]

Look, judge me for going early but I'm down the pub again tomorrow and I need to make sure your commentaries and observations are all being jotted down in an orderly fashion 😂

Be darlings though, and fill up the other one first....
www.mumsnet.com/talk/telly_addicts/4587184-love-island-thread-5-these-tatas-are-not-for-that-kind-of-thing?page=19&reply=118544086

I never watch After Sun - Laura makes me want to punch the tv in - but apparently they played a clip of Ekin Su saying she's 'done' with Davide.

Lucia's behaviour was shocking. Really hope Gemma dumps him. She's great!

I’d be very happy for any couple to win at the moment - BUT for the girl to send their half arsed bloke home without a penny and they get to keep the lot.

when Luca sat down tonight with Gemma and said ‘I’m not happy’ it sent chills down my spine.
My ex used to say that to me all the time and my crime was usually something like I had apparently looked in another man’s direction in a shop, or had a male friends number in my phone. I was then in for a really shit few days of gaslighting.
I seriously hope she has more balls than I did and gets rid asap.

People saying that all the boys this year are toxic, misogynistic little twats, I really do worry about my DD’s generation having to navigate their way around relationships with these nasty pieces of work. Because I fear that the boys in this years LI is not just a bad bunch but actually many young men these days display utter contempt for young women and see them merely as objects. I can already see it playing out in the stories and interactions my DD (16) has experienced with boys in her year. It’s frightening.

I’m disgusted with all the vile boys, they are all awful knobs. Gemma needs to run as fast as she can. Luca is the worse closely followed by Dami and Davide then the rest of them.

Yeah for me it’s the context and the tone. His is so much more narcissistic and disrespectful, ensconced as his words are in his double standards and constant vilifying.

Hopefully Davide and Luca will both be in the bin tomorrow.

Can’t believe Laura Whitmore just brushed over it in Aftersun.

@CrapBucket sorry should have said Day. Family and friends either enter the villa or video call in and speak to them individually near the end

Absolutely this. Spot on.

The process of making you 'confess' (but in reality guess because there hadn't been one) what transgression you'd made in a tone that made it sound like it was a really obvious, massive thing you'd done wrong that you were pretending not to realise.

And the tone they were being patient and kind for letting you have the opportunity to admit it. I'm sure you know that tone too. God it's horrible.

Sorry you've gone through it too.

Also really felt for Ekin when she took Davide saying heavyweight the wrong way and thought he was implying that she was fat. She seemed completely crushed about that. I was watching with DD, who is recovering from an ED, and she said that she would be utterly destroyed if someone used a word like that about her. In all fairness to Davide he didn’t mean it like that at all but you can still see what impact one little word can have on someone’s self esteem.

Here is his response in full, from tonight's show, verbatim, to someone flirting with Gemma and her giving them what any woman watching knows is a brush off without 'causing a scene' which something we learn to perfect after teen years of being called a bitch if we are 'stuck up' when men try it on.

This level of rage is always just under the surface of men like Luca and it takes so, so little for it to surface and become explosive either verbally, like tonight (anger, threats of shagging someone else, bollocking her, calling her a liar) or physically (he already touched her arm tonight in an unnecessary way that meant she was directed where he wanted her to be).

Those of us who have been with men like this see him for what he is. I really hope this isn't brushed over and that he isn't painted as a 'protective boyfriend' rather than a jealous, controlling partner.

And so telling that all the women's instant reactions (even when they literally simply had a conversation with someone within the 'movie' clip) were to ask each other shit did I do something bad, am in the wrong, did I fuck up, what do I do etc. Immediately assuming they must be in the wrong.

The men's reactions were backslapping, encouraging toxicity and not calling out genuinely misogynistic behaviour.

Gutting. It's 2022 ffs.

@wellhelloitsme i know it’s fucking depressing isn’t it? We are going backwards.

I literally cannot see whatever it is Luca is mad about - a bloke firsts with his girlfriend and it’s her fault - is that basically it? Jesus! When he called over Billy the garden gnome to join them that was to gang up on her - I’m livid after watching that!!!!

And the assumptions - a guy wouldn’t try if he wasn’t getting signals - get a fucking grip (and a life) that’s exactly the experience of most girl - man decides to try because he decides he’d like to be with her - it has NO bearing on if she’s giving off vibes. The next stage is usually that the onus is on the woman to create path out for him so no pride is hurt - and then more often than not she gets slagged off suddenly when they cop on you’re not having a bar of it.

All of that is so ingrained in culture we barely even register it. So to hear that assumption has really infuriated me tonight.

The lack of understanding of the female experience to say with a straight face "a bloke wouldn't try unless he thought he had a chance"

Yep, it snacks of "what did you do to encourage him? What were you wearing? What did you say?" Etc, etc. Very dangerous thinking.

I'm pleased in a way that Luca has shown who he really is, I just hope Gemma sees it clearly. She seemed to be dealing with it well and didn't give his ridiculous accusations any oxygen. He's awful. The way he spoke about her was absolutely disgusting and he should be ashamed. That's not the way someone speaks about someone if they like them, let alone love them.

I was shouting at the TV for Gemma not to apologise to him. I think she's wise enough to not accept any blame because she genuinely hasn't done anything wrong. I hope her parents hate him!

I'm watching with my 14 year old DD and there are some really useful examples of worrying behaviour to look out for.

Yep, it snacks of "what did you do to encourage him? What were you wearing? What did you say?" Etc, etc. Very dangerous thinking

Absolutely.

Like so many of you, I am disgusted by the misogyny on display tonight. Where do they learn this shit?! My DS (almost 18) wouldn't fucking dream of treating women like this- and I'd fucking murder him if he thought like these do.

I WISH the girls would dump ALL of their arsehole men.

I feel so sorry for ES tonight. She's much more vulnerable than she knows.

Luca has completely blown any chance he may have had of winning Gemma’s parents’ approval. After watching his disgusting behaviour tonight there is no way they will ever welcome him into their home and he has no-one to blame but himself.

Luca has finally nailed his true colours to the mast, and his behaviour tonight was appalling, but it's only tonight that I really stopped to look at his behaviour towards Tasha. He hates her! his behaviour towards her, and his manipulation of Andrew, and their relationship is shocking.
A normal friend, even if he didn't like his friend's chosen partner, would be civil, keep his opinions neutral, and be happy his friend was happy. Not take every opportunity to hammer wedge between them. For all Andrew and Tasha's drama, they do seem to be growing (a bit) as a couple, and communicating more, and Andrew was right when he said about "he can't complain about T and Billy because he did more/worse". Luca just can't seem to accept Andrew is happy, and T is the one he wants, and he is getting more and more nasty about it, all in a creepy veneer of "well everybody thinks it too"
Luca is a nasty piece of work, and I hope Gemma (and everyone else in there) sees it.

What we need are companies like Pretty Little Thing and Boohoo to stand up and say we will not be having our products endorsed by such misogynistic examples

Do now allow them to go and " influence " anywhere , Dubai does not need them either

Luca can go back selling fish
Gemma can continue her successful career with her head screwed on

I cannot wait for her mum to come in , hope she tells her straight - get rid

I don't have any hope of Gemma's mum saying anything, given Gemma dated Jaques when she was only 16. And he's just as much a walking red flag as Luca.

Agree Billy was stirring last night. He lied when he said he was confused about Gemma's feelings, he wasn't at all, he was just winding Luca up to keep himself out of bother.
I don't dislike him for it. It helped expose Luca even more.

It would be nice if Adam were to chat to the girls about how going home early still gives opportunities and there's no need to stay and put up with such twats. But I doubt he'd be so useful.

My biggest hope is that Ekin Su's brother comes in on the friends and family visit and tells it how it is. Preferably to all of the boys.

He was on Aftersun in the early weeks and called it saying he thought all of the boys were awful.

I agree that any parent who didn't object to Jaques in general, let alone the age gap at such an impressionable age probably won't call out Luca

I WISH the girls would dump ALL of their arsehole men

I said the same thing to my DD. How.great would that be?

I agree about Luca's obvious hatred towards Tasha. Whats that even all about? People seem to hate her just because she wasn't 100% into him from the get-go. And he had no sympathy for her about being in the bottom three again. It must be really shit, especially as an original couple, to feel so disliked. Luka has no idea because he's smugly in a popular couple but that's mostly Gemma's doing. Just because she's happy with Andrew doesn't meant she can't be upset about something else. Human beings are complex and were capable of feeling .more than one thing!

Good point about Gemma dating Jacques at 16, and therefore not getting our hopes up about her mother showing Luca the door. We can but hope but I usually find the met the parents thing quite disappointing. At least Indiyah's sister might give Dami hell.

To switch the topic from all the Luca chat...

I think Adam is in playing the game that Greg did a few seasons ago when he went in late, and swooped in and made a bee-line for heartbroken Amber. Comes out a hero for making a fan favourite smile again, get the money and then go.

Think they might have a chance of winning it but can't see them staying together for long. But i hope I'm mistaking as I actually quite like them as a couple and hope its genuine!

Did anyone watch aftersun last night? Noticed that jaques was on it but didn't watch it. Did they ask him about paige and adam?

@PomBearWithoutHerOFRS agree. Didn't he have a thing for Tasha right at the start? He scaled off Paige for her. Then all of a sudden went for Gemma (probably when they found out who her dad was). So maybe he still likes her and doesn't want her happy elsewhere?!

*sacked not scaled