Love Island Thread 5 - These tatas are NOT for that kind of thing!

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Agree with some of what @LampLighter414 says in that his poor behaviour and his mental health can be treated as separate entities. One does not dictate or define the other. His decisions in Casa Amor didn't seem to be driven by any kind of confused feelings or emotions or inability to cope, but mainly just by his dick.

I do think it's interesting (not wrong or right necessarily, just interesting) that Jacques has shown strong emotion, a lack of rational thought and a tendency to verbal aggression and his mental health is immediately being flagged and talked about, but Tasha's done much the same really and no word about her MH is being uttered.

They haven’t done snog, marry, pie this year. Loads of other games seem to of gone too; they don’t seem to of had any fun and games for ages now. Something needs to lighten it up in there.

I was sure Paige & Jacques had sex in the hideaway and wonder whether that will have any bearing on how Paige feels?

I feel it's really wrong to blame Gemma for 'stirring' Jacques into that state and ascribe some nefarious intention to it. He's often all for 'bants' and winding people up, and she - and anyone else - should be able to say things without that hair-trigger reaction. He's the one who's out of order and it's right that he's gone.

The idea that women should know a man will kick it off if you say xyz to them all plays into the toxic behaviour. It was a ridiculous bit of nothing to go OTT over, and very telling I think that he said wasn't even arsed if Adam and Paige were into each other and it was a much more idiotic male pride thing about lads not 'slagging him off behind his back', which is what they all do anyway. Even Luca found it very hard not to call Jacques immature when he was talking to Adam - because Jacques is bloody immature. Just as Luca is 'protective'. Ugh, the wounded male egos and the nuclear fall-out from such mild bruising of it.

I also disagree with any idea that Paige should have gone with him. Why should she? Wouldn't that condone his tantrum? She did absolutely the right thing in pulling back from him when he showed his dark side and really that should be the end of it for them. It'll take a hell of a lot more hard work than heartfelt pledges to tackle his issues, and the fact he wanted to 'get back to himself' suggests he'll probably revert to type back in his normal environment anyway.

It worries me a bit that he told Paige she could see other people in LI when he'd gone, but he didn't let the rest of the group know that, so they might be policing her. What's the point in her staying in if all she can do is wait till he picks her up from the airport? I think she shouldn't be guilted into some idea that they were this thwarted romantic couple and she should enjoy some time in there without him.

@Pinkdelight3 Couldn't agree more. As is so often posted on the relationships section of Mumsnet "Women are not rehab centres for broken men".

I'm bipolar and I have never acted even close to how Jacques has acted in the Villa. He needs therapy, and lots of it, before he even considers being in a romantic relationship.

Annoying that they devoted a whole episode to Jaques but it did go some way towards generating sympathy for him and redeeming him, so fair enough. He'll need a lot of support on the outside.

Paige did well, she was sweet and tried to be supportive without making any promises. Wish she hadn't kissed him though, it might have given the wrong idea. I hope she moves on and makes the most of whatever time she has left on the show.
Tasha and Andrew need to go, or someone needs to save her from herself and him. Andrew is too sleazy. I would pay Adam at this point to just sweep Tasha off her feet and make her see sense!

As an aside; did anyone else spot josh and summer chatting together? I’m sure a PP spotted them looking at each other over the firepit last week too.

Tasha’s up to her old tricks again, telling Billy in bed she’s back with Andrew but worried she’s missing out on him (Billy).

Give Paige 24 hours and it will be Jacques who? I hope she gets with Billy as I think she is more her type than Adam, she needs someone she can have a laugh with after all she’s been through in the last few days.

I had a few tears watching Jacques tonight. He's struggling and I got the feeling he was incredibly anxious and quite desperate to sort things out with Paige but just couldn't do it.

I hope people will be kind, bearing in mind what's happened to previous people on the show.

As an aside, his family has stated that he has ADHD so he struggles with his emotions (and presumably acts on impulse). One of my kids has ADHD and I'd hate to see them get themselves into such a situation because of it!

I feel for Jacques now, having disliked him intensely over the past few weeks. He is clearly emotionally ill-equipped and probably shouldn’t have been there at all. I think the dirty pants shot was going too far and that he will never be allowed to forget it.

It is not part of the diagnostic criteria of ADHD for people to act like misogynistic bullies. Jacques has been rude and disrespectful to a lot of people in the villa, including Paige and now we’re supposed to feel sorry for him? His behaviour is nasty and shows a complete lack of empathy for anyone. I don’t buy his crocodile tears - a lot of male abusers do this.

Jacques obviously likes Paige but I wonder whether he left as he knew if Paige decided to pursue Adam he didn’t have the maturity to cope with it and it would hurt his misplaced male pride?

I'm guessing the production team had foreseen another Niall S5 situation.

He left abruptly for no apparent reason and it later turned out he had Aspergers and just wasn't coping with the environment.

www.thesun.co.uk/tv/14709050/love-island-niall-aslam-forced-fake-conversations-psychiatric-hospital/

I never bought that the mark on Jacques’ boxers was a skid mark. It looked like he’d sat in something to me and it seemed v unlikely that no one in the Villa would have noticed if it’d been worse.

Tasha is just doing my head in - the constant flip flopping is ridiculous.

Luca’s constant stranglehold on Gemma is really irritating. It’s more like a wrestling match than a relationship!

Ekin’s need for attention every time a man enters the Villa is really cringeworthy.

I actually think Dami is perhaps the most unlikeable man in the Villa. He was so instrumental in goading the others to cheat with the new girls and it was all about trying to minimise his own poor behaviour. Two weeks ago he was one of my favourites but now I find him so disingenuous. I switch off as soon as he opens his mouth.

I just feel this season has been no fun at all. It’s all very intense. We have seen very few tasks and these were often a great way of defusing tricky situations in previous seasons. Also very disappointing that the girls just caved within a few days. Particularly Indiyah. I thought she had more self respect. She’s far too good for Dami.

Not sure if it’s a new production team or the effect of 2 years of Covid on the younger ones but one way or another there’s been little light relief.

I get that it was a big thing Jacques leaving but we really didn't need the whole episode devoted to it.

The format of the game makes it pretty impossible for all the players really. They are there to find love (aye right) but everyone knows if you couple up and settle down too early you are unlikely to make it all the way through to the end. You are supposed to flirt with everyone. You have to snog them and play sexual games. People get insecure and jealous - that's human nature. It's a bit of a mind fuck.

Someone needs to compile all of Tasha's to-ing and fro-ing from day 1 into a You Tube compilation. I think all the boys are initially attracted to her because she's absolutely stunning, but she doesn't seem to have much personality otherwise.

Agree with you about Dami @Picoloangel. I feel the same about Indiyah too. I will be so annoyed if they win.

It feels like the Casa lot are not allowed to talk on camera.

Since joining the groups back up there has been one damp squib dumping.
No games, no challenges, no recoupling, no hideaway, no movie night, nothing.

Just endless Jaques and Andrew and their bad decisions.

“I think the dirty pants shot was going too far and that he will never be allowed to forget it.”

I agree. I was talking about this with my teenage dds last night and that ultimately that single shot is likely to be part of that man’s legacy for the rest of his life. He’s behaved like an absolute tool for the series and deserved to be called out for that (with the sadly now, never to be fulfilled full exposure of his pathetic behaviour via a movie night-type event, with Paige well and truly dumping his sorry arse).

However the skid mark pants are evidence of incompetent arse wiping technique, not a character flaw, and for all we know there might be another explanation for that stain. And yet that is what is going to follow him around for the rest of his life. He’ll always be that guy with skid marks long, long after who he snogged and what he said are lost in the mists of reality tv time.

and I feel sorry for him for that. You need a really robust self of identity and character to ride something like that out, which he patently does not have. God I’d be wanting to change my name and move to South America to take up soya bean farming if I were him.

Billy had to hide his surprise when Andrew said Tasha wanted to focus on him 100%. Little did Andrew know she was crying in bed to Billy saying she was scared to miss out on him. If Tasha were male this would be condemned more.

Not excusing Jacques and I get the deeper meaning for women not have to watch what they say around men, but this was a pure and simple case of shit stirring by Gemma.

I hope he’s shielded as long as possible from the SM onslaught coming his way until he’s in a better place and that the producers provide good counselling and MH support to him. I fear for him especially with suicides having happened before.

Again, in no way excusing his behaviour but he’s clearly not all there. He seemed a Jack the lad rugby type but this situation exposed how vulnerable and damaged he is.

Blaming Gemma for Jaques terrible behaviour frustrates me. She has shown the patience of a saint in not saying a bad word about him, and I think we’ve seen enough to know he must have been a terrible boyfriend. So what if she said something? Why must we blame a woman for a man having no self control.

Do we believe there are any real couple's in there?

Agree with this

Gemma didn't say anything to anyone about what Jacques was like as a boyfriend.

Why did she tell Jacques that Adam had described him as immature do you think?

My questioning why she did that has nothing whatsoever to do with Jacques' reaction ... it is purely "why would she do that?".

I actually think that Gemma's shit stirring was less to do with winding Jacques up and more to do with getting Adam into bother. I don't think she liked how nervous he made her during their conversation (the only time we've seen Gemma hasn't been the one in control). I don't think it reflects well on her, which is a shame, as much of her behaviour and how she carries herself is great.

@Petronus

Blaming Gemma for Jaques terrible behaviour frustrates me. She has shown the patience of a saint in not saying a bad word about him, and I think we’ve seen enough to know he must have been a terrible boyfriend. So what if she said something? Why must we blame a woman for a man having no self control.

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