This is Going to Hurt - starts 8th Feb

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I loved the book of this by Adam Kay. I know others weren't so keen.
BBC has dramatised this and starts in early Feb. Just a heads up for others who liked the book.

My overwhelming thought was thank fuck he isn't still practising medicine.

I really didn't like those women and what they were going through being shown as jokes. It was just nasty.

@JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn

I read the book. I couldn't believe what I was reading. It wasn't funny. It was a misogynistic pile of shit. I won't be watching the TV series. The trailers I've seen have confirmed it's all about laughing at women when they're at their most vulnerable. Just dreadful.

I don't see that at all - I think it's an artefact (sorry!) of the fact that he was on O&G. It's directed at the system rather than the patients as individuals - which again is medics seeing the illness not the person. If he'd been a cardiologist everyone would have said he was hideously ageist, but that would be because the patients were mostly old.

And it's not good at all that medics treat patients as vessels, or that jr doctors are overworked and mistakes happen and get covered up and that everyone is stressed - but it's honest. I'm not sure that's really adam's fault. He hasn't sugar coated. ThebNHS really is fucked.

@fratellia

Hopefully training is trauma-informed, particularly if drs are working in maternity units. 1 in 3 women traumatised from childbirth some go on to have full-blown ptsd.

Also factor in that at least a fifth of women in those maternity units have experienced sexual abuse or trauma in the past, it’s SO important for trauma-informed care at such a deeply vulnerable time.

I doubt it was tbh. It may be these days, but most medics will have been trained years ago.

@fratellia

Hopefully training is trauma-informed, particularly if drs are working in maternity units. 1 in 3 women traumatised from childbirth some go on to have full-blown ptsd.

Also factor in that at least a fifth of women in those maternity units have experienced sexual abuse or trauma in the past, it’s SO important for trauma-informed care at such a deeply vulnerable time.

It really isn’t. I saw the BirthTime documentary recently which explores the psychological trauma of childbirth and how overlooked this is by professionals. I really thought all doctors should have to watch it.

I found the book very funny

At times we have to laugh at work we are not laughing at people suffering but when you are dealing with very serious and heavy issues all the time you need some humour this is what very much came over in the book

Shall watch on catch up

@SoupDragon

My overwhelming thought was thank fuck he isn't still practising medicine.

I really didn't like those women and what they were going through being shown as jokes. It was just nasty.

This was my feeling too.i asked DH (who read the book) if Adam was supposed to be such an arsehole. He didn't see what I meant until I had to point it out

@OhWhyNot

I found the book very funny

At times we have to laugh at work we are not laughing at people suffering but when you are dealing with very serious and heavy issues all the time you need some humour this is what very much came over in the book

Shall watch on catch up

You may not be. Adam Kay most definitely is. This is a man who makes Jim Davison, Chubby Brown and Frankie Boyle look liberal. The "but we work in places like this and it's true to life" comments are also (un)edifying. He's not a lone gunman then in his hatred of the people he was supposed to be treating.

I too didn't get the misogyny or that his partner was gay.

Ben Wishaw did a good job,
i enjoyed this

it is not laughing at women and i too was reminded of bodies

I’ve read some of the book, and started to watch the first show last night but ended turning over. It made me feel very uncomfortable and it felt very old fashioned - with a whiff of ‘Carry on Doctor’ about it. It wasn’t funny, it wasn’t medically correct, it wasn’t entertaining. The women were very much written as stereotypes. Posh mum in Labour with her mother cast as racist, black woman midwife cast as being unable to deal with racist patients, young female junior doctor cast as helpless and crying when things get tough, young pregnant mum cast as time waster. Utter rubbish viewing.

@MrsLargeEmbodied

it is not laughing at women and i too was reminded of bodies

It absolutely was laughing at women. Do you honestly think that was a respectful and compassionate portrayal of women especially pregnant women in labour?

I really didn’t get that

This is his experiences at times I am sure exaggerated for comic effect. At time HCPs may not like someone they are treating, some HCPs are arses to work with, some are over involved, some you wonder if they like people but they can remain professional and others seem only to like patients

We can all have a view of how life is meant to be how people are not meant to be x,y or z but that isn’t a reflection on how life is. And in such setting you will get the best of people coming out and the worse and this is what HCP and other workers have to deal with

So what at times people get fed up of those that are treating/having to deal with what do you think that are not human to not have such feelings they don’t have good and bad days

It absolutely was laughing at women. Do you honestly think that was a respectful and compassionate portrayal of women especially pregnant women in labour?

Is the NHS compassionate and respectful of women in labour? Not in my experience.

Do you honestly think that was a respectful and compassionate portrayal of women especially pregnant women in labour?

The relevant question though is surely is it a realistic portrayal? Uncomfortably, with a bit of dramatic exaggeration, it probably is.

@MrsLargeEmbodied

it is not laughing at women and i too was reminded of bodies

It is laughing at them insofar as it is turning what is a very vulnerable (and dangerous) moment into a joke.

There is nothing even vaguely amusing about a third degree tear for example. Nothing.

Showing an audience the truth (through his eyes) about how patients and staff are treated, whether palatable or not has got to help us move forward
It showed me that we are all just a number on a tick sheet for some people
Scary stuff

I assume the attitude would be the same in any ward, male or female

He certainly makes jokes and mocks women in the book, as I said it very much punches down as humour.

the posh woman cast as racist was no doubt based on an actual event

Watched this last night. What a brilliant show. Incisive and funny.

As a medic, also very realistic. Though strangely harder to watch those experiences than it was to live them.

MedTwitter absolutely loves it. I guess you had to be on the other side of the drape!

and his aside to the junior doctor, no dont Show them the forceps!
i was so grateful i didnt see a forceps until after the event.

@fratellia

Hopefully training is trauma-informed, particularly if drs are working in maternity units. 1 in 3 women traumatised from childbirth some go on to have full-blown ptsd.

I partly blame this on places like NCT etc. Pregnant women are sold a lie, that childbirth is an easy natural process of birth pools and a soundtrack. We are made to feel like failures (even inadvertantly) if we need pain relief or things go wrong. We would do better to remember the great number of women and babies saved by sometimes really brutal seeming medical intervention.

The biggest thing I got from that was how short staffed they are.