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This is Going to Hurt - starts 8th Feb

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ouch321 · 30/01/2022 17:37

I loved the book of this by Adam Kay. I know others weren't so keen.
BBC has dramatised this and starts in early Feb. Just a heads up for others who liked the book.

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lljkk · 10/02/2022 19:39

@SleepyRoo

Apparently he was married to a woman, then came out as gay at some point after that. An acquaintance who is old mates with him told me that yesterday.
gosh ! Married by 19, awfully young -- or maybe he came out to his mum before the wedding to the woman, because people felt compelled to get married as heterosexual in spite of being gay, was such a common problem in 1999-2000.

I mean, that can't possibly be fake news from the "acquaintance"

lljkk · 10/02/2022 19:46

If you believe he kept a diary you are are far too naive.

They all keep notes -- it's NHS best practice to reflect & learn from own mistakes so they write a lot about many cases. Until the information gets used against them to try to get them struck off.

CaptainMyCaptain · 10/02/2022 19:56

If I remember correctly the book starts with how students are selected to study medicine. Basically it's exam grades, playing a musical instrument to a high standard being in a sports team etc and little to do with the skills and personality traits desirable in a doctor. Maybe it has changed this then. I don't know, but this was one of the messages if the book imo.

musicalfrog · 10/02/2022 20:04

Soooooo according to some posters here there simply cannot be any misogyny in obs and gynae because they have no choice but to treat women and you can't prove they wouldn't be like that with men.

Seriously??

LuckySantangelo35 · 10/02/2022 20:07

@musicalfrog
Pretty much! I genuinely don’t get all the misogyny deniers on here.

Batlou · 10/02/2022 20:11

I'm watching this because my eldest is a doctor in O&G and loves the job.
My understanding is that things have moved in the right direction since the period that is depicted here.
I find the AK character a real miseryguts. Bolshy, chippy, sarky and unsuited to the role which explains why he left.

AKASammyScrounge · 10/02/2022 20:14

@AgathaMystery

Hmmm I probably won’t watch.

I have enjoyed many many evenings watching Adam Kay & Suman Biswas perform as Amateur Transplants. They were excellent & very much of the time.

After they split as a group, I saw Adam live as a one man act. He came on stage, drank almost a bottle of red wine in one go, and then did his show. Something was off, he was many as funny as usuall. He was mean, not sure mean but cruel - there was no humour in it. The audience was mainly medics & HCP & I know myself & DH we’re not the only people that left thinking Adam was in the grips of an addiction or a complete breakdown.

FF a few years & TIGTH was released. I really disliked his book. The absolute scorn he showed for labouring women appalled me. I was sad as it was that low level misogyny I’ve come to expect from so many gay men.

I’ve answered my own musings. I won’t be watching.

I watched the first episode and didn't find it funny. He sneered at patients, nurses and yet he was pretty useless made me a little uncomfortable.
toomuchlaundry · 10/02/2022 20:15

Surely you have to see the same person with male patients to see if he treats all patients the same or just women?

HalloHello · 10/02/2022 20:28

@musicalfrog

Soooooo according to some posters here there simply cannot be any misogyny in obs and gynae because they have no choice but to treat women and you can't prove they wouldn't be like that with men.

Seriously??

I'm not saying that some doctors who work in obs and Gynae aren't misogynists. I am saying that you can't prove they are, based on seeing them with female patients only. They might just be twats.

I worked in a male only ward and some doctors were just as condescending, rude and childish as shown on TIGTH.

reesewithoutaspoon · 10/02/2022 20:33

@SleepyRoo

Apparently he was married to a woman, then came out as gay at some point after that. An acquaintance who is old mates with him told me that yesterday.
TBH I started training mid 80's and knew a few gay doctors who were married and living a lie because it was still an old boys network and a for consultant posts they preferred a respectable married man.
CorneliusVetch · 10/02/2022 20:35

But hallohallo he is making disparaging jokes/remarks about issues which relate solely to women

JbSmCn · 10/02/2022 20:37

Oh God episode 6. Am crying. So so sad.

OhWhyNot · 10/02/2022 20:39

Read the book he makes disparaging remarks about men too

And there are also some very moving stories from him where he shows he truly cares

He isn’t perfect he is human before he is a NHS doctor

SilverGlassHare · 10/02/2022 20:39

@musicalfrog

Soooooo according to some posters here there simply cannot be any misogyny in obs and gynae because they have no choice but to treat women and you can't prove they wouldn't be like that with men.

Seriously??

No. No. Try again.

I’m not saying there’s no misogyny in OBGYN. I’m saying that the series itself isn’t misogynistic, just because it depicts misogynistic behaviour.

SilverGlassHare · 10/02/2022 20:41

@CorneliusVetch

But hallohallo he is making disparaging jokes/remarks about issues which relate solely to women
He also makes jokes about issues that relate solely to men - there are several stories in the book about penile injuries. Does that make him a misandrist?
thecatneuterer · 10/02/2022 20:42

[quote LuckySantangelo35]@musicalfrog
Pretty much! I genuinely don’t get all the misogyny deniers on here.[/quote]
In that case perhaps you can answer the questions I asked you upthread and then I may no longer be one of them. I genuinely want to understand your reasoning. I'm not saying there is no misogyny in the book/that scene, I'm just saying I can't see it. So please explain it to me by answering those questions.

CorneliusVetch · 10/02/2022 20:46

I have read the book.

Misogyny could be in the sense of treating women less nicely than you would treat men. I don’t think there’s any suggestion of that. But the way he mocks women giving birth, ie performing a uniquely female function, is misogynistic and doesn’t require a comparison to men or what he says about men.

I give him credit for telling the woman what to say to get a caesarean though.

HalloHello · 10/02/2022 20:46

@CorneliusVetch

But hallohallo he is making disparaging jokes/remarks about issues which relate solely to women
But my point is that it's because woman are the only patients. so of course they will be, he has no choice. If he was a urologist, and his jokes were about issues relating to solely men, what would he be then? If he was an Anaesthetist, and he only made jokes at the female patients expense, and not males, then he may be a misogynist.

Don't get me wrong he may be a misogynist but it wouldn't make a funny book if it was a pity party for woman from a male doctors POV. He's making jokes about women's issues as that is the career path he chose. Whether that is right or wrong isn't the point here.

HalloHello · 10/02/2022 20:50

Jo Brand's comedy makes disparaging remarks about issues relating only to females. Doesn't mean it's misogyny.

misogyny is a hatred of woman in simple terms. That is definitely not what comes across to me. These doctors chose their careers, they aren't going to chose to treat only women if they despise women.

I think some posters are getting chauvinism and misogyny mixed up.

airbalonz · 10/02/2022 21:36

No I don’t think you can say men working in women’s healthcare are definitely not misogynistic on account of choosing to work with women. Some misogynists marry women 🤷‍♀️

Hdkatznahtw125sgh · 11/02/2022 00:07

As an NHS Nurse mid way through this series and an emotional wreck this show definitely rings true.

My friend asked if it was over dramatic, I don’t think so, this is the stuff we have to deal with in the NHS, if not worse since covid.

Every NHS worker, especially after these past two years, can relate to being the over stressed, burnt out, exhausted family member snapping at people at the kitchen table because unless you work for the NHS or in social care you really don’t understand how bad it has been and is.

Hdkatznahtw125sgh · 11/02/2022 00:12

Also, there is a very dark humour that we as NHS staff have. I find it very interesting that members of the public are considering that this might be misogynistic. Clearly we have thick skins in the NHS as I never even noticed.

Hdkatznahtw125sgh · 11/02/2022 02:52

Oh and I very clearly picked up he was in a same sex relationship in the book, but them I’m a lesbian who often gets assumed to be straight. I think a lot of people assume heterosexuality and so only see something that’s not straight if it’s absolutely spelt out to them.

lugeforlife · 11/02/2022 04:50

Goodness episode 6! I may have cried

MuchuseasaChocolateTeapot · 11/02/2022 07:14

I loved the book and found it hilarious and tragically sad in equal measure. I didn’t like the sequel (Christmas one) and I went to see him live with my mum and sister after having a bad day and I really didn’t enjoy it, I thought the songs were awful and I wasn’t amused. I thought it was just me as I wasn’t in the best of moods but when we left my family said the same. Maybe he is just a dick?