This is Going to Hurt - starts 8th Feb

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I loved the book of this by Adam Kay. I know others weren't so keen.
BBC has dramatised this and starts in early Feb. Just a heads up for others who liked the book.

@DappledThings yes they are on iplayer so I watched the first 3 last night :)

@DappledThings oops
Sorry I meant that to @MandyCarter
What a cool
Username I thought Mandy was hilarious 😂

Unfortunately this is a highly accurate representation of what it was like to be a trainee doctor at the time.

I was a year ahead and worked at many of the same hospitals as Adam Kay albeit in a different but similar specialty. The humour is not misogynistic just a deeply warped coping mechanism that many of us developed to deal with the everyday horrors and stress of the profession. Many of us left the NHS or died!

@sleepyhoglet it’s another nhs management way of saving money! You are only allowed so many sets of scrubs a day it is linked to your ID card!

Episode 1 he's not exactly a trainee is he, he's on the edge of becoming senior if I understood episode right. He's so nasty to the actual very junior doctor, isn't he.

I liked the book but found Episode 1 too intense -- I mean, it was everything that could go wrong did go wrong, all ~16 hours. The book doesn't read like that.

I liked the playing out more obviously how his relationship with H. was struggling to be maintained in the mad mad world he lived/worked in.

"Reassuring Tracy" was my fave character.

I don't think some of you have encountered Dr. Cox on Scrubs
He's simultaneously both the very best doctor & the most unpleasant doctor/colleague.

I luffs Dr. Cox so Kay's bedside / colleague manner made perfect sense to me.

*There were a couple of other - non emergency situations where i felt consent had been assumed rather than sought because of the way communication was done.

There was a lot of general talking about patients in their presence as if they were pieces of meat rather than sentient beings in the room.*

Yes, disrespectful and unnecessary and shows a lot about how doctors view consent and their patients.

@lizbet78

I remember Adam having a girlfriend in the book too. I was surprised when watching the TV adaptation to see he is gay. Not that it matters, I was worried dementia had crept in early!

Flipping through his two books this morning, I can't see any time when he mentions H's sex/gender. His initial introduction is "H is my short-suffering partner of six months". In the last chapter of TTNBC he says "my partner J" and then calls J he.

@LaMarschallin

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He didn’t specifically say 3rd degree but fairly sure he said “you’ve torn into your back passage”.

Ah! I didn't hear that bit. Yikes - poor woman.

Aka a third degree

Yes, I know what it means, but thanks anyway.

Eek, I thought that was a 4th degree tear. I had a 4th degree tear, what the chuff did I tear?!

I like that it’s showing HCP working in the NHS as human

Not perfect not hero’s that are so good that they care for nothing but their patients people with imperfections becuase that is the reality and they are having to make choices on what they are able to provide

@RedToothBrush I see what you're saying, but I don't think any of that shows him to be misogynistic or dismissing patients because they're female. You could easily replace the word 'women' with 'patients' in what you have just written. There is an attitude of 'patients being an inconvenience', it's just that, as he is in Obs and gynae, his patients happen to be female.

I think it's a very common attitude among medics and is just a realistic portrayal.

Haven't seen the TV show but I have started reading the book again, on the alert for misogyny and I haven't found any. Misanthropy aplenty though, and I can't blame him.

He hasn't mentioned H's sex so far but has called H a widow to his job.

@BalloonSlayer

Haven't seen the TV show but I have started reading the book again, on the alert for misogyny and I haven't found any. Misanthropy aplenty though, and I can't blame him.

He hasn't mentioned H's sex so far but has called H a widow to his job.

Agree on all points. Yes I've just relistened to the book, and the 'widow' term was the only gender specific reference in the book.

I think the trailer for the series was misleading. It gave the impression that it was going to be all jolly japes and hilarious. There were references to the state of the NHS, but minor. The first episode had the same effect on me as First Responder. Fantastic but couldn't take more than one episode at a time.

I like Ben Wishaw, but, as with Martin Freeman, he'd only really registered for me in more light-hearted roles, so perhaps I needed that shocking total immersion to take him seriously as a man on the edge of a breakdown using cruel sarcasm and deliberately distancing himself from any sort of empathy to keep his head above water.

He does care about his patients and he is angry with the system that is letting them down, as well as what it's doing to him and other workers. Even in the first episode there are signs. He sees the E.European couple happily enjoying their baby through the ward window, wants to go in, but tears
himself away because he's rushed off his feet. And there's the soliloquy with the prem baby in ICU.

He wanted to make clear this isn't going to be a Call the Midwife or OBEM. He wants to change things. It's an attack on those who've allowed the NHS to get in this state.

@SilverGlassHare Thankyou for your support.
@LuckySantangelo35 et al. This is the TellyAddicts board. Please don't derail this thread by using it as a platform for your agenda. Plenty of places where you can debate misogyny till the cows come home. I'm afraid it is coming across that you are trying to do to Adam Kaye what others are doing to JKRowling. Not cool.

@Thymeout

I think the trailer for the series was misleading. It gave the impression that it was going to be all jolly japes and hilarious. There were references to the state of the NHS, but minor. The first episode had the same effect on me as First Responder. Fantastic but couldn't take more than one episode at a time.

I like Ben Wishaw, but, as with Martin Freeman, he'd only really registered for me in more light-hearted roles, so perhaps I needed that shocking total immersion to take him seriously as a man on the edge of a breakdown using cruel sarcasm and deliberately distancing himself from any sort of empathy to keep his head above water.

He does care about his patients and he is angry with the system that is letting them down, as well as what it's doing to him and other workers. Even in the first episode there are signs. He sees the E.European couple happily enjoying their baby through the ward window, wants to go in, but tears
himself away because he's rushed off his feet. And there's the soliloquy with the prem baby in ICU.

He wanted to make clear this isn't going to be a Call the Midwife or OBEM. He wants to change things. It's an attack on those who've allowed the NHS to get in this state.

@SilverGlassHare Thankyou for your support.
@LuckySantangelo35 et al. This is the TellyAddicts board. Please don't derail this thread by using it as a platform for your agenda. Plenty of places where you can debate misogyny till the cows come home. I'm afraid it is coming across that you are trying to do to Adam Kaye what others are doing to JKRowling. Not cool.

@Thymeout 🤣 Are you Adam Kay? If not, I’m really not sure why you would be so hell bent on defending a man who refers to women as “lazy, ugly whores” and who mocks babies with Down syndrome. He is a deplorable man with virtually no respect or compassion for women when they need it the most. I would say that’s far more on the “not cool” side than me and PPs highlighting the blatant misogyny in his work.

Oh and I will “debate misogyny” (what is there is to debate, is there any doubt of its existence??!) wherever I want because funnily enough it infiltrates all areas of our society and culture including- obviously- television!

Oh give it a rest. Just because people disagree with you, doesn't mean they're in bad faith or pretending to be someone they're not.

Adam Kay might very well be a massive misogynist. I think his stage shows and song lyrics definitely indicate this. I just don't think the series is misogynistic, even when it depicts misogynistic behaviour by the characters. I also don't think much, if any, of the book, is specifically misogynistic, though it's dark and misanthropic certainly. The fact that we disagree with you doesn't mean I or ThymeOut are stupid or naive or ignorant.

I just watched episode four and I found the bit in A&E incredibly moving.

@SilverGlassHare Well said!

Did he actually let a junior doctor who had never delivered a baby before, let alone via forceps, deliver a baby via forceps whilst he chatted on the phone to his mate, resulting in a serious tear?

I really enjoyed the book and didn't find it mysoginistic. I thought the first episode of the series was less funny than the book. I will give next weeks a go though

@BitcherOfBlakiven

Did he actually let a junior doctor who had never delivered a baby before, let alone via forceps, deliver a baby via forceps whilst he chatted on the phone to his mate, resulting in a serious tear?

Yes! If that is not treating women and their bodies as if they don’t matter (which is a big part of misogyny) then I don’t really don’t know what is @Thymeout and @SilverGlassHare Why are you so invested in the patriarchy??

@LuckySantangelo35 No, it's being a bit of a crap doctor, in this instance, to his patient. His patient who, as he works in obs and gynae, happens to be a woman. There is nothing to suggest that if he worked in a different specialism he wouldn't have been equally crap (maybe through being tired and distracted, maybe through just being crap) to a male patient.

I totally understand why people are appalled by Kay's attitude and behaviour (in real life and the character). Although, as the series progresses, it is clear that he does care deeply (even though that doesn't excuse some of his behaviour).

But I don't think anybody could accuse Sruti (the SHO) of misogyny or misanthropy. And having watched the whole series on iplayer, I really think it is worth watching for her character alone. In a lot of places, it is extremely accurate about the NHS and personally I think that those truths need to be seen.

And it is really not funny! So don't watch if you are hoping for any comedy.

@LuckySantangelo35 I’m assuming similar happens with male patients (obviously different procedures!) I don’t think this is just against women. Looks more so as currently only looking after pregnant women

How is women calling out a man for misogyny remotely similar to people turning on JK Rowling? Opposite situations if anything.

Not every case of treating a patient poorly is misogyny, just because the patient is a woman! Misogyny would be treating women poorly because they are women - there's no evidence that's the case in that particular scene. Did you even watch it? He's on the phone to his boyfriend instead of concentrating. I suppose you could speculate that he'd have paid more attention to a male patient but it would be pure speculation. The worst story so far in the series is the description of the degloving incident and Adam is definitely shown as being disrespectful about that. It's a male patient though!

Your ad hominem attacks on those who disagree with you don't make you look great, btw. Again, just for your information.