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Return to Hogwarts - How will you watch it?

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Ohdoleavemealone · 31/12/2021 21:25

I was looking forward to this until I read today that it is only streaming on HBO????
Is it likely to be available anywhere else afterwards?

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iwanttobeonleave · 01/01/2022 23:10

Can someone remind me what Radcliffe, Watson and Grint did or said? I'm late to the discussion on this.

Ozanj · 01/01/2022 23:12

I could give a fuck about all the kids in HP and what they’re doing now. JKR is the VIP, her opinion on future HP stories is what I care about. This little TV advert is such to guarantee fans watch the new HP series.

Ozanj · 01/01/2022 23:14

@iwanttobeonleave

Can someone remind me what Radcliffe, Watson and Grint did or said? I'm late to the discussion on this.
EW and DR publically denounced JKR’s opinions. But note this only happened after some psychotic TRA activitists fabricated pedophillic tweets on behalf of Tom Felton for his support of her comments. TF had to go to the police and Twitter to get those tweets removed and the TRA psychos then tried to hack his friends and families facebook accounts. Confused
MaryAndHerNet · 01/01/2022 23:39

Can someone remind me what Radcliffe, Watson and Grint did or said?

I think, truth told, they saw what happened to JK and didn't want it happening to them so said the only things they really could so as not to lose jobs etc.

LondonWolf · 01/01/2022 23:54

EW was always TWAW! VEven before JKR spoke out. Interestingly she went very quiet around the middle of last year, stopped posting on Twitter and declared she was no longer going to act. I wondered if the quietness on SM had been anything to do with her waking up and seeing the problems or even just trying to avoid any more discussion on such matters.

baffledbunny · 02/01/2022 00:58

I watched it. She was only shown a couple of times from past footage, not newly filmed for the event. I expect they justified it by saying it's the 20th anniversary of the movies, not the books, but without her they wouldn't have had anything anyway. In the end, the congratulatory nonsense was getting a bit annoying, and at the end only one actor (can't remember who) actually gave her credit for the amazing world she created.

At risk of opening a can of worms. I'm not actually clear on what she said that's got everyone's backs up tbh. I know she's pissed off some transpeople by referring to women as having periods and not including transwomen (i didn't even know they did before then) and then I think she dug her heels in and refused to acknowledge that trans people can have periods too, hence the anger towards her. Is that correct or was there more to it?

I'm kinda leaning towards the trans side if so, (because it wouldn't have hurt for her to be more inclusive and say of course, them too), but I also feel that getting accused of being a terf (whatever that is) for saying women have periods is completely ridiculous. There are so many nuances to the arguments that get completely glossed over by people flinging crap at each other that it's quite frustrating. I also think the pro-trans crowd have been infiltrated by misogynists/incel types who just want to attack women and are jumping on the anti-terf bandwagon to do so).

anotherchocolate · 02/01/2022 04:20

@Ozanj wtf is that about TF having to go to the police and his friends and family getting hacked? I hadn't heard about that??

timeisnotaline · 02/01/2022 04:36

@baffledbunny what makes you think transwomen have periods? They don’t menstruate, they don’t have any of the equipment for it (whether pre or post surgery) Transmen might well have periods depending on what medication they are taking.

lottiegarbanzo · 02/01/2022 09:13

@baffledbunny

You could read what JKR wrote and form your own opinion but the basis of disagreement is, I believe, that she makes a distinction between sex and gender and makes a case that sex is important, in some situations in particular e.g. domestic violence refuges.

The misogynist / incel types you rightly identify as having infiltrated the pro-trans movement will not have this. They want nothing left for women, alone, at all. They promote the view that gender is always more important than sex, so if TWAW are women in terms of gender, they must always be treated as women in terms of sex too, so welcomed into all single sex services.

On the surface is looks like a silly muddle between gender (social and psychological) and sex (physical). Most people recognise that difference and would be astonished to hear that anyone honestly believes that people can change sex.

You'd think the TRA movement might be more concerned about changing the hearts and minds of the many people who don't recognise that gender really exists, or in explaining the importance and implications of treating people as their chosen gender, whether you believe in gender or not (and respectfully negotiating the boundaries of that practice, where it conflicts with others' interests), than in promoting the notion of this kind of magical transubstantiation.

But no, they'd rather go after a famous woman who is saying what most people believe - and in doing so, create confusion about what she actually said, plus a sense of jeopardy about anyone ordinarily saying ordinary things out loud.

The rest of your post is a good example of that confusion.

I know she's pissed off some transpeople by referring to women as having periods and not including transwomen (i didn't even know they did before then) and then I think she dug her heels in and refused to acknowledge that trans people can have periods too, hence the anger towards her. Is that correct or was there more to it?

Transwomen do not have periods. They have no wombs, no ovaries, no eggs. How could they possibly have a period? How could you possibly imagine that they could?

The distinction being made there (and I don't know if JKR actually said what you suggest she did) is either about whether only women have periods (some transmen would argue otherwise), or, as I suspect is the point, women being those people typically capable of having periods (thus trans-women are not women as they are not female. Woman meaning adult, human female).

That is what would upset people who want everyone to believe that TWAW, whether only in terms of gender, or additionally in terms of sex.

Waitwhat23 · 02/01/2022 09:17

@baffledbunny this what JRK said - www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

For stating (as a domestic and sexual violence survivor) that women need single sex spaces and requesting that the word 'woman' not be replaced by such phrases as 'menstruator' or 'body with a vagina', she has received enough rape and death threats to be able to 'paper her house'. This is the kind of abuse which women who agre with her face - www.terfisaslur.com

lottiegarbanzo · 02/01/2022 09:20

Oh but I wanted to pick up this comment too: I'm kinda leaning towards the trans side if so, (because it wouldn't have hurt for her to be more inclusive and say of course, them too)

Firstly, why do you need to 'pick a side'? Doesn't that seem very primary school playground?

Secondly, could you explain please how it 'doesn't hurt' to allow men* into women's domestic violence refuges?

This is what JKR was talking about. The need for some single sex service provision.

*Men because once you allow transwomen in (and remember, most TW have not had surgery and some don't attempt to present themselves as women, their gender identity is in their head), you are not in a position to tell any man that he cannot come in, because you have no way of knowing which one is a real transwoman and which is not.

Carriemac · 02/01/2022 09:57

Trans women (aka men) do not have periods it's biologically impossible.

Ozanj · 02/01/2022 12:26

[quote anotherchocolate]@Ozanj wtf is that about TF having to go to the police and his friends and family getting hacked? I hadn't heard about that??[/quote]
DN follows him and was terrified she would get hacked too and that’s how I found out. It was so disgusting.

Ozanj · 02/01/2022 12:30

@LondonWolf

EW was always TWAW! VEven before JKR spoke out. Interestingly she went very quiet around the middle of last year, stopped posting on Twitter and declared she was no longer going to act. I wondered if the quietness on SM had been anything to do with her waking up and seeing the problems or even just trying to avoid any more discussion on such matters.
She wants to become a UN ambassador or something - it certainly seems she has her sights set on supporting female led causes in a big way. But internationally trans issues have no place in womens issues - these are seperate due to India and Thailand having the most trans people and as such the bigger communities - in those countries the movement is to be recognised as part of seperate genders not as male / female. Western TRA activism actively harms both trans people and women in Asia and I guess her friends (like Malala Yousefzai) have finally managed to convice her of that.
lottiegarbanzo · 02/01/2022 12:52

That's so interesting to read about TF. Draco was always the character with the really hard choices to face. Not the one who powered through life knowing, whatever the personal and practical setbacks, that he was designated right from birth (and his pals).

How very life / art while reversing life / art-ish.

Glassisalwaysgreener · 02/01/2022 16:35

I would love to see a public apology to JKR at some point from Emma Watson, Daniel Radcliffe and Rupert Grint. Eddie Redmayne too. It is more than owed to her. None of them has a shred of the integrity required to make one though.

Their names will be forgotten long before JKR’s.

BeyondMyWits · 02/01/2022 17:06

I would love to see a public apology to JKR at some point from Emma Watson, Daniel Radcliffe and Rupert Grint. Eddie Redmayne too

I wouldn't. People are allowed to disagree with each other.

Glassisalwaysgreener · 02/01/2022 17:15

There’s disagreement, and there’s throwing the woman who made your career under the bus, publicly, for woke points. Without a word of condemnation about the disgusting barrage of abuse JKR received.

I think Daniel R even had the gall to apologise on JKR’a behalf.

If the tide turned tomorrow and it became advisable for these three little weasel’s careers to agree with JKR, they would. She stands up for what she believes even though she knows it brings a tidal wave of hate. They stand up for whatever they think will make them popular.

LondonWolf · 02/01/2022 17:16

@BeyondMyWits

I would love to see a public apology to JKR at some point from Emma Watson, Daniel Radcliffe and Rupert Grint. Eddie Redmayne too

I wouldn't. People are allowed to disagree with each other.

Indeed. So not an apology then but perhaps condemnation of the multiple dreadful sexualised violent threats made to her, and distancing from those many TRA who came onto threads showing children’s artwork for her new book and posted pornography and still more rape and death threats…and let’s not forgot those who turned up at her house and posed in front of it with the address clearly visible.
anotherchocolate · 02/01/2022 18:35

I don't think EW has been convinced of anything. Only a few weeks ago, she posted about the conversion therapy ban on Insta and ended it with the "inclusive" Pride flag. She is firmly in the genderwoo.

Rupertgrintismyguiltypleasure · 02/01/2022 22:35

I’ve watched it and they actually referred to her quite a lot...
so they didn’t agree with her, when has it become a crime to disagree with someone... she made hers and they’ve made there’s.... it’s not gonna change what happened in the past...
not watching it because they didn’t agree with her sounds quite pathetic. They didn’t throw her under the bus... they merely stated that they didn’t agree with what she said. I still like her, I didn’t agree with what she said....

Rupertgrintismyguiltypleasure · 02/01/2022 22:37

@iwanttobeonleave

Can someone remind me what Radcliffe, Watson and Grint did or said? I'm late to the discussion on this.
www.newsweek.com/harry-potter-cast-who-spoke-out-against-j-k-rowling-transgender-remarks-1664256
Dontletthemuggglesgetyoudown · 02/01/2022 23:29

David Thewlis' instagram post (Remus Lupin) I think he's taking the Piss out of the 'woke'

Return to Hogwarts - How will you watch it?
FixItUpChappie · 02/01/2022 23:38

No, I won't watch. The cast contributing to the cancellation of JKR all while profiting from her creation...no thanks.

There’s disagreement, and there’s throwing the woman who made your career under the bus, publicly, for woke points. Without a word of condemnation about the disgusting barrage of abuse JKR received.

^^This

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 02/01/2022 23:58

I still like her, I didn’t agree with what she said....

That women are women?