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The Handmaid's Tale Series 4 - finale coming up, no spoilers please.

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Clawdy · 16/08/2021 08:00

New thread, looking forward to finale, but wishing it really was the last episode, with all storylines and characters ending satisfactorily.

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Furries · 23/08/2021 02:47

Maybe because there are some storylines that we’ve liked and then others not so much!

God forbid we should all think and feel the same way, that sounds very ... Gilead.

There’s a difference between, say, going onto a thread about dogs and just stating that you hate dogs. As opposed to going onto a thread about a programme that, essentially, you like, but not feeling it with some episodes.

lilmishap · 23/08/2021 03:05

@SpindleWhorl I was obsessed with The Company of Wolves as a teen, but I couldn't work out what the handmaids robes reminded me of, now I think it was that damn film...

StrongCoffeAvalanche · 23/08/2021 06:24

Well I loved the episode. I hope there's another season to see the downfall of Serena Grin

Bloodybridget · 23/08/2021 06:44

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

So what are we hoping for next season?

I'm a bit tired of June staring into the camera. I'd like her story to be a side story next season. I don't think she will go back to Gilead but I do think she will try and fight for Hannah, alone.

Next season I'd love to see:

  • Janine and Mrs Keys start a Revolution. mrs Keys is ruthless and nobody knows the ropes better than Janine
  • I'd LOVE to see Aunt Lydia do what she does in The Testaments. I know it wasn't a popular arc but it made the book for me and when you read her full backstory it made sense
  • Moira to do something other than be Nichole's pseudo-mum. I also don't get the whole "Get her together with Emily" just because they're the only two lesbian characters.
  • Luke to find love.
@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop I was wondering about Emily - is she not still with her partner who got out of Gilead with their son a long time before she did? Are she and Moira supposed to be in a relationship now? I hadn't picked that up.
Bloodybridget · 23/08/2021 06:51

And I too wonder what June's recorded testimony or whatever it was comprised.

I think there's a chance Serena will be treated very leniently in Canada now Fred is dead; she can re-state that he abused and controlled her, with no contradiction, and she can express contrition for her own crimes. Perhaps she might be kept in custody for rehabilitation and then released with a new identity.

Iggi999 · 23/08/2021 06:57

She's bloody lucky they didn't send her back too.
I'm not sure who could have arranged the whole thing. Does no one monitor the phone lines in Gilead?? Why can't Nick just escape too, could he have done worse stuff than Waterford did? Surely he could get a deal - or be a current double agent which would appeal to me Smile

theneverendinglaundry · 23/08/2021 07:12

@TheMoth

The trouble is, it could go on forever.... getting weaker as it does. They always do.

Draw a line, find a new book. They could use the same sets for Oryx and Crake.

I have read that a series of Oryx and Crake is in the pipeline and I am SO excited for that
Remmy123 · 23/08/2021 07:34

I'm not sure about the ending.

How does June have this power to have arranged this?

I was glad to see Fred back in Gilead and put on the wall etc but not by June - seemed a bit unrealistic to me.

Also, her leaving Luke - she can't leave HER daughter with Luke abd Moira as it's HER daughter!!!

I'm starting not to like June.

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 23/08/2021 07:37

@BattyOrange

Not sure why people who clearly don't enjoy it come on this thread and slag it off Hmm

Me neither. Who does that?

It slightly affects my enjoyment of this thread tbh
EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 23/08/2021 07:54

I was wondering about Emily - is she not still with her partner who got out of Gilead with their son a long time before she did? Are she and Moira supposed to be in a relationship now? I hadn't picked that up.

As I understand it, Emily’s still with her wife but in separate bedrooms while she waits for Emily to be ready, and Moira’s trying to repair things with Oona.

Embracelife · 23/08/2021 07:56

@Bloodybridget

And I too wonder what June's recorded testimony or whatever it was comprised.

I think there's a chance Serena will be treated very leniently in Canada now Fred is dead; she can re-state that he abused and controlled her, with no contradiction, and she can express contrition for her own crimes. Perhaps she might be kept in custody for rehabilitation and then released with a new identity.

No she is an architect of gilead and too much self belief. She won't go quietly She has supporters too
DontDrinkDontSmokeWhatDoIDo · 23/08/2021 08:03

@TheSpottedZebra

I wanted Tuello to casually mention his husband (who I've made up), so Fred and Serena would twig they'd been played by a 'gender traitor'.
Oh wow / I would have loved that!
GreatBritishBummertime · 23/08/2021 08:06

Didn't like it.

Gilead has beaten June, she swapped her life with one of her daughters and Luke for violence.

I'd have preferred to see Fred die by the machine he made and face a kind of justice.

Feels a bit far-fetched Nick and Joseph could arrange this too.

iamreally · 23/08/2021 08:15

I think there's more to come with Tuello and Serena. My theory is that the baby is his, given his reaction when Serena says that she and Fred are going to live together on his return from Geneva. In retaliation, Tuello hands Fred over to Gilead, knowing he'll be executed

DontDrinkDontSmokeWhatDoIDo · 23/08/2021 08:15

@GreatBritishBummertime

I hear what you're saying, but Fred did die by the machine he made:

He was an orchestrator (or upholder) of the rules that men who raped handmaids outside of 'the ceremony' would die by particucution (sp?) - being torn apart by hand maids.

So he was subject to his own law in the end.

JaninesEyePatch · 23/08/2021 08:31

@OverByYer

I totally understand why they did it but felt saddened that the women stooped to the Gilead level of revenge. Will they really feel better after doing that?
I completely agree with this. Seeing them beating him to death made me feel sick. I didn't have any feelings of victory for June.
oneglassandpuzzled · 23/08/2021 08:32

@GreatBritishBummertime

Didn't like it.

Gilead has beaten June, she swapped her life with one of her daughters and Luke for violence.

I'd have preferred to see Fred die by the machine he made and face a kind of justice.

Feels a bit far-fetched Nick and Joseph could arrange this too.

I agree: Fred's monster should have consumed him just as it consumed his victims.
oneglassandpuzzled · 23/08/2021 08:36

Emily is now responsible for the death of the woman in the Colonies, the attack on Aunt Lydia and now has involvement in this murder of Fred.

I can't remember all the details of what happened with Aunt Lydia but she didn't have to carry out the first and third for her own survival: it was for revenge.

I'm not sure she's the most balanced individual to be doing child-raising, either of her own or other people's children.

OverByYer · 23/08/2021 08:37

**CloseYourEyesAndSee

BattyOrange
Not sure why people who clearly don't enjoy it come on this thread and slag it off hmm

Me neither. Who does that?
It slightly affects my enjoyment of this thread tbh**

It’s called debate ? The whole purpose of the thread. In fact the purpose of Mumsnet? Hmm

MrsRobbieHart · 23/08/2021 08:46

Not sure why people who clearly don't enjoy it come on this thread and slag it off

This is “the handmaids tale” thread, not the “positive comments only handmaids tale” thread. People are allowed to say what they don’t like about it as well as what they do like. This isn’t Gilead Wink

JaninesEyePatch · 23/08/2021 08:47

@GreatBritishBummertime

Didn't like it.

Gilead has beaten June, she swapped her life with one of her daughters and Luke for violence.

I'd have preferred to see Fred die by the machine he made and face a kind of justice.

Feels a bit far-fetched Nick and Joseph could arrange this too.

Yep agree.
Breathmiller · 23/08/2021 08:52

I liked many parts of this ending and other bits not so much. I sometimes feel that I am so involved due to loving the book(s) that I want to see the whole world in Gilead times that is alluded to in the book/first series.

But, I don't like the path that it takes sometimes or the way it is portrayed to make 'good telly'.
So, I often have mixed feelings on it But, i am so involved that I am willing to keep going and to overlook the bits I feel have jumped the shark. I do find it interesting to discuss those here too and hear other's thoughts.

I think that it is entirely plausible that Fred would be handed over for 22 women, I think in the grand scheme of things in Gilead he was not as important as he and Serena would like to believe. Commanders who go off piste go missing easily, à la the Commander who was killed at Jezebels, a story concocted to keep the Gilead facade and move on. And I do think in wars that it happens behind the scenes, clandestine meetings of power over supposedly impenetrable borders, and hush hush swaps of prisoners and people going missing. It's only the proles who have to live lives according to the rules of the State. It's all a facade and those in power do whatever the fuck they want behind the scenes. As it has always been.

I do wish that Fred had been taken back, maybe after a kicking or just a chasing through the woods from the women and then faced a Gilead trial. They could have had their 'make him feel fear' moment at their hands then he would have had the complete humiliation of being tried and put on the wall or a particucation in a huge ceremony. The ultimate humiliation and fear to see his own regime turn against him then be killed according to the laws he made.

I also felt sad that these women were all turned back into what they were as handmaids. I could see someone or even two people going rogue and being so affected by what they had experienced that they couldn't let it go, but a whole group? I suppose it shows that it just needs a particular leader (June) to rile a group of people up to commit atrocities. Many of them in history. It's quite scary.

My 'jumping the shark' moments in this episode were the circle of torches to mimic the library, I get it made good cinematography but as a PP said they were a pack of wild animals at that point, making a ceremony of it with perfectly placed torches was not where they were in their head.
And, the kiss with Nick, nah, not needed. Made them seem weirdly like they were getting off on it. It just doesn't fit with who I thought both of them were.
As for June's remembering dancing with Fred and imagining biting him, I felt like any moment she would say "i ate him with fffffava beans and a nice chianti!" Too much.

But, lots of possibilities to be taking into next series.

June going back for Hannah so back into Gilead.

Luke back to his quiet life in Canada looking after Nichole.

Serena having her baby and what happens to him and her. Will the Puttnam wife (can't remember her name) words come true? 'That baby belongs to Gilead.'

Aunt Lydia, Janine and Esther at the Red Centre.

Commander Lawrence (who I agree, I love his little moment of play) which way will he turn in the end? Or does he just play it as a game and has no ethics of good and bad sides?

And Nick? Will he be a double/triple agent? Will we see his wife and possible handmaid? How will that go down with June?

I know we don't really discuss the content of the original book or The Testaments and I believe there was a mention that it won't follow the story of The Testaments (which I find odd - I want it all to tie up really cleverly) but do we know if it follows the epilogue of the main book? Because, hopefully without giving anything away to those who haven't read it , I already feel due to amount of written testimonies on trial and such like that the lack of knowledge in the epilogue seems unlikely now.

OverByYer · 23/08/2021 09:00

I agree @Breathmiller. It would have been so humiliating for Fred to have been tried by his peers. And the kiss seemed off to me, like you say.
I need to stop thinking about this and move on!

SkepticalCat · 23/08/2021 09:00

Re: the kisses - June & Nick and June & Fred (whilst the voiceover is saying "do not bite"), they feed into the Last Supper/Judas' betrayal with a kiss theme.

Apologies if this has already been said, or is too obvious a point to be made!

OverByYer · 23/08/2021 09:01

@SkepticalCat

Re: the kisses - June & Nick and June & Fred (whilst the voiceover is saying "do not bite"), they feed into the Last Supper/Judas' betrayal with a kiss theme.

Apologies if this has already been said, or is too obvious a point to be made!

Ah ok , I didn’t know that.
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