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The Handmaid's Tale S4 at C4 pace (no spoilers from Hulu subscribers) Thread 2

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OverByYer · 08/07/2021 09:53

Under his eye

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viques · 15/07/2021 13:55

@Twizbe

Women's literacy throughout history has been lower than men's. For many centuries most ordinary people couldn't read or write beyond their own names.

Girls would be taught to cook by their mothers and many dishes learnt by heart. Or if needed pictures and diagrams could be used.

In the Testiments it talks about new Aunts having to be taught to read when they begin their training.

There’s a bit of a problem with “girls would be taught to cook by their mothers” when it comes to Gilead though!
ElephantOfRisk · 15/07/2021 15:00

Yes, can you imagine trying to keep track of the population by manual records? Obviously they did this in the olden days but then they didn't need to keep such control on who was where and whether they had new children or whatever, most records would be limited to that parish and not nationwide. So, for all the talk of manual files, they must have a database to show who has been sent to the colonies etc as people don't just stay in their small areas in Gilead

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 15/07/2021 18:19

Didn’t Serena start teaching Eden to run a house? Although that mainly seemed to involve teaching her to order June about.

NigellaSeed · 15/07/2021 18:35

That's a good point about Eden, would you really execute a presumed to be fertile woman? Making her a handmaid makes more sense as PP said. But then again I may have just forgotten that they actually did cover this is the show

SkepticalCat · 15/07/2021 18:48

@MotionActivatedDog

I was surprised he hadn’t heard of mayday too. Does that mean the Canadians aren’t aware either? I suppose they will be as they have someone feeding them info from inside Gilead. Rapey guy- if he has been living like he is ever since the war started with no contact with officials or anyone else who has been in Gilead then I suppose maybe he’s never had reason to hear of mayday.
Wasn't Emily part of Mayday when she was still in Gilead? So the Canadians know about Mayday now, even if they weren't aware before Emily escaped.
RiaOverTheRainbow · 15/07/2021 18:51

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn I wonder how it gets decided which of them get married off & which become Marthas / Handmaids though?

Wives/econowives are the default. Handmaids are fertile but immoral women, marthas are moral but infertile (presumably once the original supply runs out they'll use older econowomen), women who are both immoral and infertile are unwomen and get sent to the colonies to work to death.

SkepticalCat · 15/07/2021 18:55

@NigellaSeed

One random thing that always stayed with me from the book, is the butter. It's such a luxury item that she hides it away and uses it to moisturize her hands.

This thread is making me want to rewatch s1.

Yes, this part of the book really stayed with me from when I read it as a teenager in the 90s.

I might be wrong, but I'm fairly sure that scene wasn't featured until Series 2, which surprised me as it has such strong imagery and shows how the Handmaid's have so little control over most of their life, they take it where they can - like micro rebellions.

ElephantOfRisk · 15/07/2021 18:59

Wasn't June married with a child at the beginning? Or did she become immoral because she tried to escape? So if she and luke hadn't fled would they have been an econofamily? I'm struggling to remember the beginning now.

I presume they knew that Janine had a child out of wedlock AND an abortion so she was doomed.

BriocheForBreakfast · 15/07/2021 19:03

I think June was considered 'immoral' because she was Luke's second wife and Gilead recognised only the first marriage. And having had a child and therefore fertile, that's how she ended up being a handmaid.

They must have stank after coming out of the milk tanker.

CaptainMyCaptain · 15/07/2021 19:04

@ElephantOfRisk

Wasn't June married with a child at the beginning? Or did she become immoral because she tried to escape? So if she and luke hadn't fled would they have been an econofamily? I'm struggling to remember the beginning now.

I presume they knew that Janine had a child out of wedlock AND an abortion so she was doomed.

She was immoral because Luke was married to someone else when they got together.
BIWI · 15/07/2021 19:06

Yes. She was the one castigated, because she was female.

(Although I realise I can't remember what happened to Luke, and how he managed to get to Canada. I really do need to go back and watch again, if not read the book)

Twizbe · 15/07/2021 19:09

The books kind of cover how the society works for women.

Eco people are the standard. They are too low status to have a handmaid so if they have children, those children are their natural children. Marriages start to be more arranged and an econodaughter could only really marry an econoson. She'd not go to school and be expected to learn from her mother. Boys would go to learn a trade of some kind.

Eden was an econowife when she married Nick and therefore low status. I suspect she wasn't made a handmaid to make an example to other young people not to run off for love. That and she wasn't pregnant already. They likely decided that as she hadn't got pregnant from either Nick or the guardian that she wasn't fertile. I'm sure another econowife who did have a child told June that they threatened them (I.e mothers) with having their children taken and being made handmaids l.

Wives are the wives of commanders only. Their daughters (either their birth children or those from handmaids) would go to a school for domestic arts like Hannah does. They'd be trained to be commanders wives and married off young.

The long term plan was that women would chose to become handmaids aunts or Martha's. Perhaps from a sense of duty or because there were few choices if they didn't have a male relative to support them.

MotionActivatedDog · 15/07/2021 19:10

I think Luke just managed to run and hid out with some people, in a church for a while I think, and then I think there was a river? Where they crossed into Canada.

ElephantOfRisk · 15/07/2021 19:22

Thanks folks, yes I remember now that she was the OW for a while so that makes sense (well it doesn't, but you know what I mean!)

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 15/07/2021 19:50

What they will do when the next generation matures is another matter, no Aunts trained in midwifery for a start, or able to maintain the Handmaids records, Marthas unable to cook, who won’t be able to read recipes.......

The testaments covers how aunts are trained and educated if you're interested in more gilead world building

BriocheForBreakfast · 15/07/2021 19:52

I'm sure another econowife who did have a child told June that they threatened them (I.e mothers) with having their children taken and being made handmaids

It was Heather who told June that:
the-handmaids-tale.fandom.com/wiki/Heather

CiaoForNiao · 15/07/2021 19:57

Luke was in an ambulance at one point I think.

Emily escaped via a river. Quite how she didn't lose or accidentally drown baby Nicole is amazing.

Did Janine have a baby and an abortion? I assumed the baby was because she couldn't go through with the abortion. I probably should pay better attention!

MotionActivatedDog · 15/07/2021 20:05

The janine flashbacks were well done. She went to the fake abortion clinic and the woman said she would be a great mum etc and I thought “this woman doesn’t know anything about janine- how does she know she isn’t a mum already and knows she can’t cope with another?” And then the next flashback was janine with her son that she already had, Caleb, and she went to the proper abortion clinic.

JayAlfredPrufrock · 15/07/2021 20:42

I’ve looked on All4 but can’t find previous series.

Iggi999 · 15/07/2021 20:47

I think Luke was shot. June assumed he was dead, but he wasn't - someone must have helped him, but I can't remember who!
I think they executed bucket loads of people at the start, both to create fear and because they could. I think the fighting, the resistance and low fertility might be making them slow down a little with the random deaths.

dapsnotplimsolls · 15/07/2021 20:48

@JayAlfredPrufrock

I’ve looked on All4 but can’t find previous series.
www.channel4.com/programmes/the-handmaids-tale/on-demand/66751-001
whatsthestory123 · 15/07/2021 20:49

@JayAlfredPrufrock

I’ve looked on All4 but can’t find previous series.
www.channel4.com/programmes/the-handmaids-tale
JayAlfredPrufrock · 15/07/2021 20:53

Thanks. Need to work out how to watch on my tv.

I’m positively giddy about the prospect of watching the whole thing.

whatsthestory123 · 15/07/2021 20:55

why dont they use Artificial insemination on the handmaids as this way they could maybe get more pregnant or would that be against what they believe in and could cause problems in years to come though i doubt that that would bother them

ive just watched Emmerdale and think Nicola looks like june Grin

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 15/07/2021 20:57

@whatsthestory123

why dont they use Artificial insemination on the handmaids as this way they could maybe get more pregnant or would that be against what they believe in and could cause problems in years to come though i doubt that that would bother them

ive just watched Emmerdale and think Nicola looks like june Grin

Because it's not about getting them pregnant. It's about slavery, power and control.