Line of Duty Thread 8: All aboard the wee donkey for the final episode - no spoilers, the wee donkey bites!

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Hope you all don’t mind, getting near the end of thread 7, so thought I’d trot this one out!

Carmichael has made clear that she will not tolerate any questioning of her actions
Ugh I hate her.

I was so bored with last night's episode I kept nodding off. Every time I woke up it was to Jo going "no comment". What happened apart from finding out Tommy was her uncle and her dad?

I would have loved it if Kate opened the locker and it just contained Steve's collection of spangly weekend waistcoats.

I haven't been able to read all of the last thread, but has anyone got a theory on why Steve didn't tell Kate most of the information they got from Jo in the interview? I can't remember whether she was present for the previous homozygosity conversation with Steve, Hastings and Chloe, but even if she was, there was other stuff he didn't pass on. I couldn't see any reason for that other than not trusting her. He didn't say "can't talk here" or anything like that.

I really felt for Jo in that interview, she looked really shocked at the revelation that Tommy Hunter was her dad & uncle.
What I don't get though is, why did her mother commit suicide because she couldn't cope with Jo being under OCG control? I need to watch that interview again, when Ted said that it didn't make any sense to me.

There has to be more to Jo, Hastings seemed to accept when she said she didn't charge Terry because she couldn't send an innocent man to jail...but she sent her ex gf and her boss without a second thought. Fair enough Buckles was a pratt who possibly took advantage of his position but Faridah didn't deserve prison! Plus all of the other countless things she must have done over the years, why would she draw the line at Terry?

I'm also gutted at Ryan's death, I was looking forward to Steve grilling him.

Also if they've been tracking Steve's car at some point he's going to be asked about going to see the scouse widow.

I wonder if Terry is her blood relative. What age is he?

I think Jo is not as innocent/manipulated as she may seem. Unlike Denton and Huntley she hasn't come back with anything, other than the law stated she could shoot Ryan and it wouldn't be murder.

There was no point AC-12 interviewing Ryan. We already know pretty much everything about him and he's unlikely to actually know who is controlling things behind the scene. He was a nasty, murderous scrote who is no more.

I agree with pp saying that Patricia Carmichael is about advancing her career, whereas, Ted is passionate about rooting out corruption. I think her telling Kate she's not a fool, but pragmatic can be taken in relation to the murder of Ryan, but also in dealing with Jo. Carmichael knows that she is supposed to be focusing on Ryan's "murder"and wider accusations will not go down well with her superior, Osborne.

All those things Jo said "no comment" to, they might show her as not so innocent. I'm not bent, but I was blackmailed into being bent.

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Martin Compston tweeted "every investigation has led to this" about next Sunday's episode.

@SuburbanCrofter

Right now I’ve caught up on the threads, can anyone elaborate what the Jeff went on at the workshop? I couldn’t follow the conversation there. Why have they decided to look under the floor?

It seemed to be based on a hunch following the police officer listing what they had found in there. (Which included blot cutters, which Ryan Pilkington had previously used to torture Steve - don't know if that's significant?)

Was anyone else thinking it sounded like kidnapping/ torture equipment that was being listed? I seem to remember hardware being used in a previous series - possibly Steve nearly having a finger cut off? I haven't rewatches earlier series recently though, so that could be a memory of a completely different programme!

Why did Kate need to be bumped off again ? Why her in particular and not others with suspicions in AC12 ? What does Kate being dead buy our bent copper ? Is it purely because she was the link back to Ac12 from MIT ? Her death wouldn’t have looked at all suspicious would it !? Don’t think whoever is pulling the strings is all that bright.

Would she still be a target too ?

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

Kate and Steve having keys to each others homes is a bit deus ex machina.

Agreed. Last night's episode felt a bit shark jumpy to me. Why did Tommy Hunter have to be her father, what is the point of that extra layer of unpleasantness?

And other grumbles, related mainly to Kate behaving totally out of character, and AMM only having 2 expressions in her acting repetoire - she might as well have been wearing a black cape and going Mwahahahahahaa.

Bolt cutters, used to dismember a dead body (or part)

Agreed. Last night's episode felt a bit shark jumpy to me. Why did Tommy Hunter have to be her father, what is the point of that extra layer of unpleasantness?

And other grumbles, related mainly to Kate behaving totally out of character, and AMM only having 2 expressions in her acting repetoire - she might as well have been wearing a black cape and going Mwahahahahahaa.

If shark jumping was an Olympic sport, LoD would have taken all the golds last night!

Kate fatally shot a serving police officer, went on the run, refused to get out of the car when surrounded, refused to drop her weapon until Steve talked her round, then was arrested and placed in a cell. Jo unconvincingly claims that she shot Ryan yet due to the way she was holding the gun Kate’s sleeve absorbed all of the GSR. Nobody believes this, but rather than suspending Kate pending an enquiry, they just go along with it. And then abracadabra, Kate is back on duty, has been elevated to SIO in the Gail Vella case and is inspecting the OCG's workshop with Steve.

Tough day at the office, eh?

Re the workshop, they assumed the 2 OCG members had come to strip it of anything dodgy but they commented that 2 men would not be able to remove those huge heavy machines with the tools they had in the back of the van. That seemed to flummox them that they had come ill equipped. Hence now wanting to dig the floor up as they hadn't come to clear out the workshop at all.

Also, we didn't actually see Kate shoot Ryan. And as far as I can recall she hasn't actually said she shot Ryan. Only Jo has said she'd take the blame for Ryan and Steve asked Kate if she wanted to talk about Ryan but I don't think Kate has actually admitted it has she? Could it have been someone else other than Kate or Jo who shot Ryan?

Tommy Hunter being Jo's father by raping his own sister at a young age links back to the child abuse uncovered in S3. Abusers have often been abused themselves.

I suspect Carmichael wants Kate onside and is hoping she will both solve the GV murder case and divulge information which will show Ted to be incompetent. Both of which will show her in a good light. Except that won't happen because Kate is a good 'un.

@PrincessScarlett

Also, we didn't actually see Kate shoot Ryan. And as far as I can recall she hasn't actually said she shot Ryan. Only Jo has said she'd take the blame for Ryan and Steve asked Kate if she wanted to talk about Ryan but I don't think Kate has actually admitted it has she? Could it have been someone else other than Kate or Jo who shot Ryan?

If it wasn’t Kate’s gun that shot Ryan, why did they make a point of Jo holding the gun in order to put her prints on it? They knew that ballistics would identify that gun, and they knew that, until Jo touched it, only Kate’s prints were on the gun.

@PrincessScarlett

Also, we didn't actually see Kate shoot Ryan. And as far as I can recall she hasn't actually said she shot Ryan. Only Jo has said she'd take the blame for Ryan and Steve asked Kate if she wanted to talk about Ryan but I don't think Kate has actually admitted it has she? Could it have been someone else other than Kate or Jo who shot Ryan?

The forensics on the bullets showed they were fired from Kate's police issue Glock. She's a trained AFO and two quick shots were used. You didn't need to see her shoot Ryan to know it was her.

You didn't need to see her shoot Ryan to know it was her.

And as well as the prints on the gun, there’s the GSR on Kate’s sleeve.

Why don't the OCG bleed when they're shot?

For the DIR, Awkward has finally googled what Jump The Shark means due to the number of times it’s been mentioned since episode 6 :o