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Mother of God: Line of Duty thread 5 - **MNHQ edit**; "We are obliged to warn you that any spoilers will be taken down and used against you. No spoilers, even upcoming characters, please, in the name of the wee man. (aka Steve Arnott)

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IstandwithJackieWeaver · 13/04/2021 11:00

Hope no one minds me starting a new thread as 4 was filled on one episode.

Ted has been the police so long that they won't necessarily have his DNA on file from him joining. He was arrested and interviewed last series so his DNA may be on the nominal database from then.

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MazekeenSmith · 17/04/2021 18:43

@PomLikeTheBattle

Just my suggestion *@MazekeenSmith*

I have knowledge of the care system - checks and follow were at times pretty crap years ago (work in an associated area).
I just think there’s more to the Ryan link,

Maybe re Ryan but I also work in the area and I can tell you that would not happen

He was definitely removed from her and put into care

GrandmasNightgown · 17/04/2021 18:49

According to Fandom, Jo joined the police in July 1999, and Ryan was born in November that year. So the police would have known if she'd been off on maternity leave. How does one explain the absence of a child? She's beeen in central police all along

Corbett joined the police in March 1999, so if recruits were run against the whole database it would have pinged. But it didn't then (no routine comparison). When he first joined, he was with Merseyside police

ceeveebeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep · 17/04/2021 18:50

@GrandmasNightgown

According to Fandom, Jo joined the police in July 1999, and Ryan was born in November that year. So the police would have known if she'd been off on maternity leave. How does one explain the absence of a child? She's beeen in central police all along

Corbett joined the police in March 1999, so if recruits were run against the whole database it would have pinged. But it didn't then (no routine comparison). When he first joined, he was with Merseyside police

Good detective work!
PomLikeTheBattle · 17/04/2021 18:51

Sister of Ryan’s mum ?

GlassBoxSpectacular · 17/04/2021 18:55

That blows the Lakewell theory. Because being related to a solicitor isn’t an issue. Also if they were threatening her with Lakewells safety, why kill him?

Agreed. When Jo joined the force, a connection to Jimmy wouldn’t have been a cause for concern - he possibly may have been in the database as a nominal because of relatively innocent reasons (given that he was allowed to practice law so can’t have been convicted of a serious offence in the past), so why would Jo being a match for a random solicitor have raised any concerns had it been known at the time?

PomLikeTheBattle · 17/04/2021 19:04

That’s very true re Lakewell. No idea at all now.

PomLikeTheBattle · 17/04/2021 19:04

That’s pretty much everyone ruled out though Hmm

CheekyWeeShite · 17/04/2021 19:07

Maybe it actually is Andrew Laverty?!

AC12theletterofthelaw · 17/04/2021 19:08

1551 minutes to go.

CheekyWeeShite · 17/04/2021 19:09

I just don’t believe that this means the person was definitely in the database when she joined. Maybe, but not definitely.

Mother of God: Line of Duty thread 5 - **MNHQ edit**; "We are obliged to warn you that any spoilers will be taken down and used against you. No spoilers, even upcoming characters, please, in the name of the wee man. (aka Steve Arnott)
Mother of God: Line of Duty thread 5 - **MNHQ edit**; "We are obliged to warn you that any spoilers will be taken down and used against you. No spoilers, even upcoming characters, please, in the name of the wee man. (aka Steve Arnott)
MazekeenSmith · 17/04/2021 19:10

How would Jo be Ryan's mum?
Really, that makes no sense

shyposter · 17/04/2021 19:18

Gill Biggeloe wouldn't be on the police database would she? She wasn't a police officer but a lawyer employed by them.

Not sure what the connection would be though (age wise) - sibling? Aunt/niece?

NoWordForFluffy · 17/04/2021 19:26

@CheekyWeeShite

I just don’t believe that this means the person was definitely in the database when she joined. Maybe, but not definitely.
It does imply that if they had routinely undertaken the examination when she joined that the link would've been found at that point though.
UrgentExit · 17/04/2021 19:54

What I haven't seen discussed, although I may have missed it, is where did they recover this mystery DNA from? as in, on what was it present? We're meant to think the burner phones are we, or from the bag the phones were in? if not, what else was present in Farida's home that had a nominal's DNA present?

If it was burner phone related then surely it can't go back that far because by their nature those phones are disposable?

That could mean Jake the armed robber or Ryan by virtue of his juvenile caution as per Steve's computer record and not his official police record as the two didn't tie up when Ryan joined the force (missed or removed, as per the conversation with Steve and Kate)

If it's something else, what could it be?

GrandmasNightgown · 17/04/2021 19:56

What I haven't seen discussed, although I may have missed it, is where did they recover this mystery DNA from?

They didn't recover it. They recovered Jo's, and found it had two hits in the full database

NoWordForFluffy · 17/04/2021 19:57

No, @UrgentExit, the nominal's DNA wasn't in the house. They ran the DNA found in the house through the database and they realised that Jo's was in the house. In tuning that check, try discovered that Jo's DNA was a blood relative match to a nominal also on the database.

GlassBoxSpectacular · 17/04/2021 20:00

@CheekyWeeShite

Maybe it actually is Andrew Laverty?!
We know very little about him, other than he was divorced from Jackie and was wealthy, so he’s hard to rule in or out conclusively, but I like the idea of Andrew Laverty. He could well have been Scottish and be a sibling/cousin of Jo. He was potentially into dodgy property dealings too, so could have been on the database.

It would be a nice circle back to series 1, especially given Terry’s presence in this series too. It would also be consistent with Steve and Ted being shocked by the link, but Chloe being a bit baffled.

UrgentExit · 17/04/2021 20:07

Oh bugger. Yes Confused

I had a dream last night that I'd solved it and when I woke up I couldn't remember, so I've been puzzling today as to what my unique take was.

Back to the drawing board.

CheekyWeeShite · 17/04/2021 20:35

Andrew Laverty only occurred to me because I am rewatching S1 and they bring him up quite a bit, but give very little information on him. And they’ve definitely kept Jackie predominantly in the plot throughout...

Possibly. Maybe. Or I’ve been watching way too much LoD and my brain is running away with me 😬

GlassBoxSpectacular · 17/04/2021 20:42

@CheekyWeeShite

Andrew Laverty only occurred to me because I am rewatching S1 and they bring him up quite a bit, but give very little information on him. And they’ve definitely kept Jackie predominantly in the plot throughout...

Possibly. Maybe. Or I’ve been watching way too much LoD and my brain is running away with me 😬

Yes, Jackie’s never exactly ‘gone away’ (seeing as bits of her keep popping up when least expected) but she seems to have been mentioned a bit more often so far this series.
PomLikeTheBattle · 17/04/2021 20:56

I'm over thinking. listening to podcasts, have a work WhatsApp group and this thread - my mind is pickled. I feel like a 2nd rate (or worse) Miss Marple.

NoWordForFluffy · 17/04/2021 20:58

@CheekyWeeShite

Andrew Laverty only occurred to me because I am rewatching S1 and they bring him up quite a bit, but give very little information on him. And they’ve definitely kept Jackie predominantly in the plot throughout...

Possibly. Maybe. Or I’ve been watching way too much LoD and my brain is running away with me 😬

Andrew Laverty was mentioned on here as an option quite soon after the episode. I think that's an interesting idea, bearing in mind we know bugger all about him.
CheekyWeeShite · 17/04/2021 21:39

Interesting - I didn’t see anyone else mention it before I thought of it a few days ago, but these threads move so fast I probably missed it.

Would certainly be preferable to a complete random

NoWordForFluffy · 17/04/2021 21:45

Here's the first mention.

Mother of God: Line of Duty thread 5 - **MNHQ edit**; "We are obliged to warn you that any spoilers will be taken down and used against you. No spoilers, even upcoming characters, please, in the name of the wee man. (aka Steve Arnott)
GlassBoxSpectacular · 17/04/2021 22:00

Andrew Laverty was mentioned on here as an option quite soon after the episode. I think that's an interesting idea, bearing in mind we know bugger all about him.

It also makes sense if he was a bit dodgy and had OCG connections and that’s how Jackie made her connections, rather than her just randomly falling into a criminal network.