SCD '20 #13: The FINAL thread

[PolkadotsAndMoonbeams]

(Probably for the final, rather than last overall, considering how much we talk )

Last thread here, please check there first as I'm setting this thread up early so we can move over easily later!

@Bluffinwithmymuffin

Is anyone else going to settle down and watch the entire final for a second time on catch up today?

Me. I didn't get to see it all last night, so will be settling down later with a cuppa. Really enjoyed all the threads here, and because I'm a newbie to Strictly, have enjoyed watching loads of the links from past shows.

So thanks, everyone.

Does anyone else hope that Gio will end up with Baroness von Biscuits?

Thought last night was a great show - just the tonic necessary for all the shit that's going on.

I love Oti so very pleased that Bill won. I'd also love Gio to at least go on a date with Jamie's sister!

Mais oui maireas

It is only polite seeing that she put out her stall on the tellybox! Get on it JoeV!!!

Maisie was true to herself right to the end. Gotta love consistency.

She looked amazeballs last night though. And danced amazeballs too - on those little perfect feet eh shirl?
If she’d have given me the emosh I might’ve been swayed to voted or her.

But seeing as how I missed the vote and the live dance I poured my love votes into Bill. Because I loved him from the get go.

I’m still proper buzzing he won 😊💜

Vote for her

Fat thumb

@Maireas

But I had to laugh when Maisie added "I'm so proud of myself!".

I haven't voted for Maisie - I never vote for ringhas however brilliant they are (see my love for Dan Mac's AS and I still didn't vote for him). But why shouldn't she be proud of her herself? She danced very well, made it to the final despite a couple of weeks in the dance off and pull off a complex show dance that required a moment of bravery/total trust in Gorka. All in all she has has plenty to be proud about (as do the others).

Yes, OK, OK.

She has indeed every right to be proud of herself. But if I remember her thanks, there wasn’t terribly much in the way of pgork teaching her to dance so beautifully. It was more about believing in her etc.

(If I have it wrong then sorry I was up since 4 and didn’t get to finish it till v late so some bits might have gone by me)

It just seemed to me to be more about her experience rather than their experience.

She should be proud. She was amazing last night.

It wasn’t just about her though. She should have been proud of gorka too.

Exactly 👍

ladyofshallnot - I spent all the talky bits frantically wrapping presents and getting stuff together to dash off to the in-laws as soon as it finished so I haven't seen what she said. She could be a right ungrateful little mare but she could also feel uncomfortable as a single 19 year old heaping praise on a older man with a partner and child or she could have been going onto that but they cut her her off (or she could have had a message from Gemma saying "good luck but if you gush over my fella on TV I'll break your cockney face" ). I have just found some of the Maisie hate a little ott. Everyone involved in bringing a bit of sparkle to our Saturday nights should feel proud of themselves for pulling this together in the circumstances (even if there were no sleeve hankies and far too few proper ballroom dances!).

But is it hate though? It certainly isn’t from me.

I haven’t particularly taken to her because of how she has acted or spoken but it isn’t hate. It is merely an opinion. And my perception. Nothing more.

I loved Bill and enjoyed having my perception of Jamie challenged. Happy days. HRVY came across as a sweetie but he didn’t float my boat. We all think different things as this thread has proved.

But it is ever such a shame to say people (and it has been intimated to me so I include myself in the people bit) that we are being mean or hateful for only having a different perception or opinion.

I do not hate anyone (well, the colleague who bullied me shitless is is an exception) and I’m not sure it is fair to paint anyone as hateful in this context.

I don’t know anyone on Strictly so my opinion means strictly nowt but we’ve all expressed our own opinions and that is how it should be. And it has always been thus.

If we were all the same and were all positively gushing, then we would be just as shirl and Motsi have been described. Giving the big ups when it wasn’t deserved or whatever.

I suppose what I’m trying to say is that we all see things differently. Just because an opinion or term used is different to everyone else’s doesn’t make it hateful. And that is it in a nutshell.

But I wouldn’t have blamed Gem for warning the lickle cockneysparra off her lovely man either

It's all about interpretation I think. I saw absolutely nothing wrong with what she said (this week or last week).

Indeed 🤷‍♀️

Today 13:09 TheLadyOfShallnott

It wasn’t just about her though. She should have been proud of gorka too.

Again, how patronising would it have been for a 19 year old to tell a much older, more experienced dancer that she’s proud of him? Some of you don’t like Maisie, fair enough, but to keep picking holes in every little thing she says is unbecoming to say the least. She also thanked Gorka for being an incredible friend and said she’d carry it with her all her life, besides which, she did dance beautifully, and she didn’t win. Let it go.

I wasn't trying to accuse anyone in particular of hate but over the arc of the series I have thought a few comments about Maisie spilled over into "mean girls" territory (I couldn't tell you who made them -I'm not taking notes). As I said all I have to go on is a slightly out of context quote which without any damning context struck me as perfect reasonable (mind you we are family of dyspraxics so I'm proud of my self/ DS if we make from one end of the room to the other without falling over).

As said bluffin it is just my opinion.

And I haven’t said anyone is hateful or deluded or unbecoming or anything else about their opinions on Neil, Motsi, Shirley, Tess or Claude. I agree with some of it but disagree with a lot of it.

She was lovely about him )and I did say that upthread because it really seemed from the heart and real) but in other parts it seemed to me to be all about her journey. I don’t think I’m alone in thinking that. But to me it is about the couple.

Interpretation. Nothing more.

I will consider myself let go.

LadyofShallnot I would concur entirely.
I don't think I've seen hate on here - I'm sure many of us would have called it out!
We have different opinions, different interpretations, 'tis all. I like Neil, but I see that he is not liked by many.
It's been a pleasant series of threads at a somewhat gloomy time, and I'm sure we've all had some sparkly enjoyment!
Certainly no hurt or offence meant on my part.

I'm one of those who rarely watched a full episode. I'd either catch up with the dances on youtube or watch it later on iplayer and fast forward through all the talky bits.

However last night I did settle down on the sofa and watched the whole thing from start to finish. The talky bits were far less annoying that I remembered. I thought they didn't hang about but got on with it, so no talky segment was too long. I enjoyed all of the dances and the outstanding one for me was Hrvy and Janette in the gold sparkly tuxes and on ability, I thought they were the dead cert winners.

But I was most entertained by Bill and Oti. I loved all three of their dances, and found myself smiling from ear to ear all the time they were dancing - the choreography, the way Oti maximised all Bill's strengths, his musicality and timing, his lightness of foot, his humour - to get the absolute best out of him, was a joy to behold. I actually logged on to my ancient BBC account and bunged 6 votes their way. I never thought for a moment they would win, but it seems lots of others felt as I did.

Well done to everyone concerned in the planning, production and broadcasting of Strictly. And maybe it's the crazy times we are living in but last night's final was the best I remember. And for once the couple I wanted to win actually did win, which is a first!

Thanks for the thread everyone, thoroughly enjoyed reading it!

@Fontella - great points! I absolutely agree!
I think it was the most enjoyable final for a while.

I didn't see Chris Hollins

I had forgotten Darren Gough . . .

I agree @Fontella

I think if they'd mentioned Maisie's poor footwork, and had taken off marks for it (I know that's a shocking concept for the judges) we might actually have been able to see how she'd improved over the series.

Instead they said she was fabulous all the time. She was very good from the beginning, I'm not meaning to knock her, but I think that not mentioning her faults probably didn't help her over all.

For those wondering how Oti is with a duffer/unpopular contestant - on the German version she partnered Niels Ruf. She did her best to dance distract from him beautifully but his frame was non-existent week 1 and he exited week two. Not sure whether her training practises would be different now.
www.rtl.de/videos/niels-ruf-und-oti-der-wiener-walzer-enttaeuscht-die-jury-5a255d89a2ea503480786a8d.html
Her first pairing was a middler, they came sixth (he disappeared off a boat two years ago, very sad) then she came to the UK version and was knocked out with Anthony's shoulder week 3.
Followed by Danny, Jonnie, Graeme, Kelvin, Bill.
We haven't seen her with a duffer of epic proportions e.g. a Johnny Ball/Tony Jacklin/Gregg Wallace equivalent over here yet.

Mistletoe
That’s interesting about Oti, I remember her first year with Anthony; there were a few complaints about the pairing as I recall, but I thought they looked good together and was disappointed when he was out early with the shoulder. I love a sportsman and had high hopes of him being one of the big improvers and getting all the way to the end.
Oti and Danny are still one of my all time favourite couples - although I didn’t vote for them; a ringer too far for me and I was convinced they’d win regardless - but I’m struggling to remember Graeme...?

Tis me. You remember Swanny. I have tried and failed to erase this from my brain!