The Crown Series 4

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Anyone else getting excited? The Diana trailer looks great. It's on Netflix on 15th November.

I assume the series will end in 2023, what do you all think they will end it with? It seems to have been, loosely, a decade per season so it will end somewhere around 2010 I guess?

@Manteo

I assume the series will end in 2023, what do you all think they will end it with? It seems to have been, loosely, a decade per season so it will end somewhere around 2010 I guess?

I would have thought they'd end around the time of the death of Margaret and the Queen Mother, so in the early years of this century. Or perhaps Charles and Camilla's wedding in 2005, to go out on a 'high' of sorts?

The years since then have been pretty uneventful in royal terms, so not much scope for drama.

Imagine if Charles and Camilla had just married to begin with. Both happy and settled. Would've saved so much heartache.

Diana probably would've married some chinless wonder, had five kids and been very happy.

What a waste.

@littlebitupset

Imagine if Charles and Camilla had just married to begin with. Both happy and settled. Would've saved so much heartache.

Diana probably would've married some chinless wonder, had five kids and been very happy.

What a waste.

My feelings exactly. Whatever the reasons for them not marrying were, if they had, it would have saved so much trouble.

Pp asked about Mark Thatcher. Baron Thatcher I believe, thanks mum. Google 'Simon Mann, failed African coup'. Baron T lives comfortably in S Africa and never got to share a prison cell with Mr Mann. Opinion varies as to whether he should have done.

The scene were Diana gets the order of curtsying wrong and is then subsequently tutored in etiquette by her Granny - did this really happen? If the Spencer’s were a very grand old family wouldn’t Diana have socialised with the RF before?

I remember an interview where the current Lord Canarvon, George Herbert (Highclere Castle, Porchy’s son) said that he’d always been a bit in love with Diana. He didn’t marry his first wife until 1989. Oh, if only she’d waited...

The scene were Diana gets the order of curtsying wrong and is then subsequently tutored in etiquette by her Granny - did this really happen?

Highly unlikely. Diana grew up on the Sandringham estate. Her father was a courtier. She would have known the etiquette fairly well, I think.

Peter Morgan has said he has a 20 year rule so will not write past 2000 I assume.

He initially said there would be a season 5 covering the 90's but then said there was so much to cover in that decade he would have to add a season 6.

The new Diana has been confirmed for seasons 5 and 6 which would mean the second half of the 90's would be covered by season 6 as she died in 1997.

Here is an article

www.radiotimes.com/news/on-demand/2020-11-17/when-will-the-crown-end/

www.tatler.com/article/who-was-princess-dianas-grandmother-ruth-roche-baroness-fermoy

I read the series will end in the early 00s - perhaps with the Jubilee?

Was the “Dazzle”character a real person? Did that storyline happen? I can’t imagine for a second that Margaret was in love with a man she didn’t realise was gay and it took her maj to tell her he was.

"Highly unlikely. Diana grew up on the Sandringham estate. Her father was a courtier. She would have known the etiquette fairly well, I think."

Would that not depend on what she had attended?

If she used to pop round as a kid to see Andrew & Edward there was maybe a nanny & no curtsying involved?

When Charles went to visit first Sarah & then Diana-would they really have curtsied & called him sir?

"Highly unlikely. Diana grew up on the Sandringham estate. Her father was a courtier. She would have known the etiquette fairly well, I think."

Diana's father was equerry to the Queen. One of her childhood homes was Park House on the Sandringham Estate (which I think is currently up for sale). She was on cordial terms with the younger royals during that time.

As an adult she did need to learn some of the royal protocol but I doubt it was 'done' in quite the way shown on the Crown which had to cram everything in to a small window. Her grandmother, Lady Fermoy, was a lady in waiting (mistress of the bedchamber) and friend, to the Queen Mother so would have helped Diana initially.

I’ve just finished the ‘Favourites’ episode- the actor did a great job, I thought.

Coincidentally, this picture came up on my FB memories today

@littlebitupset

Imagine if Charles and Camilla had just married to begin with. Both happy and settled. Would've saved so much heartache.

Diana probably would've married some chinless wonder, had five kids and been very happy.

What a waste.

This is exactly what I think too. What a waste of so much time and so many lives.

Thatcher voice overdone but felt terribly sorry for her in Balmoral so must be doing something right. Also torture to watch the stag situation. Agree actor playing Charles is spot on. Interesting to see young Diana as quite boyish and countryfied, didn't realise she was like that.

@Smallsteps88

Was the “Dazzle”character a real person? Did that storyline happen? I can’t imagine for a second that Margaret was in love with a man she didn’t realise was gay and it took her maj to tell her he was.

I googled him, looked him up in the cast list first, Derek was his real name. Apparently he was an eccentric friend /boyfriend of hers.

Interesting to see young Diana as quite boyish and countryfied, didn't realise she was like that. But in a later episode she says she's a townie really so I think she was just trying to impress the DoE.

www.radiotimes.com/news/on-demand/2020-11-15/dazzle-derek-jennings-the-crown/

Watching the previous season atm, the Australian Tour. It made me cry actually to see her so happy for a while and to think how terribly wrong things went for her and how that weak, vain ,spineless twat was jealous of his own wife. He should have been with Camillla, from the start, she's just as bloody vile as he is.

Thanks @CaptainMyCaptain. I can’t imagine Margaret was oblivious to his sexuality if it was known by the queen.

I still can’t get past Diana packing the kids off to boarding schools. She made capital of being a good Mother but l think it’s entirely selfish.
It shows just what a completely different world these people inhabit.

@RubyViolet

I still can’t get past Diana packing the kids off to boarding schools. She made capital of being a good Mother but l think it’s entirely selfish. It shows just what a completely different world these people inhabit.

I don't think she'd have considered it 'selfish' though. It was very much the tradition among the upper classes that children - at least male children - went to boarding schools from an early age. She would have thought that she was providing them with the best education to prepare them for their future lives.

But yes, these people inhabit an entirely different world from us normals.