The Crown Series 4

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Anyone else getting excited? The Diana trailer looks great. It's on Netflix on 15th November.

Found the Fagan episode very moving and well done.

The dole queues were accurate for the time, especially in the north and other industrial areas, but I'm baffled as to why the miners strike wasn't portrayed, maybe because the series is so London centric, but it was Thatchers biggest battle in office. But again the series is very much made for an American audience, arent they all nowadays. The producers might think Americans wouldn't be interested in seeing massed English trade union action.

I can’t understand why Diana was incarcerated at BP alone for so long before the wedding. Couldn’t she have stayed with her mother or one of her sisters?

This letter to the Telegraph made me 😂

That's a wonderful letter, worthy of the great Henry Root himself.

[quote toconclude]@derxa

That's astonishingly naive tbh. They were both consummate performers, and fooled a lot of people.[/quote]
Unlike you oh wise one! Saying someone is charismatic doesn't mean you think they're a saint. You may not like them but millions did.

It’s like a True Movie or Hallmark version of reality.
All of it is a confection, none of it actually happened like that or happened at all in many cases. It’s overblown and preposterous. Written by someone who hates both the Monarchy and Great Britain.
But l love it 😂😂

I've watched it all now
In the end I agreed with the Queen. Both C and D had enormous privilege and money etc etc and they should have just got on with it.

Most of it did happen as it’s portrayed though. Of course we can’t know the details of conversations but the events and timelines are largely correct.

Cloudesley, I thought a lot of the RF could do with reflecting on their unique and incredible priviliges and just getting on with it really.

I watched ep 1. Diana storyline well acted bur i just want to scream "stop! You're being objectified! He doesn't give a shit about you!"

I know. I felt I wanted to rush in and rescue her. It’s so sad. Why was no one trying to protect her or talk her through the implications?

It is fiction, remember, based loosely on fact. It does not tell us what really happened.

I do think if Diana posted in relationships about her DH having an affair since before their marriage and during it it would be a resounding LTB for Charles and Camilla viewed as an absolute bitch. It’s funny how people seem to think of them now as star crossed lovers.

@Sangria

It is fiction, remember, based loosely on fact. It does not tell us what really happened.

Some of it is extremely well documented.

I’m not sure if as many liberties were taken with timelines in the first 2 seasons because I wasn’t around. I’m finding it difficult to overlook at the end of season 3 and now this new one, and also things being portrayed in a certain way which happened in full public view and I remember clearly. Just stupid things about the Australian tour like the pissing rain and the screaming baby and their awkwardness. We now know there were private difficulties between them at that time but in public the strain was not yet apparent and there was a very obvious bond between them and their baby son. I believe that the dancing was how the public still viewed the relationship at that time. I also think too much of historical significance was missed out in favour of the soap opera of the Wales marriage. Miners strike, poll tax riots, Brighton bombing...

Despite being from a well-to-do family, Diana just didn't 'know the score'. She expected love and romance, even though most marriages within the Royal Family have been arranged since the beginning of time. Sometimes love grew from that, but most kings in history have had mistresses and it was accepted and yes, expected. I think I read that the only kings who didn't have mistresses were Henry VII and George VI.

The RF probably thought Diana would be the same as many Queens before her, and Charles would be able to do as he pleases and with whoever he pleases. Monogamy has never been a 'thing' in the RF.

I think however you spin it, Charles took advantage of an idealistic teenager, with no regard for the emotional impact it would have on her, or what might be in her best interests. It was "easier" for him to do that than it was for him to grow a spine and say "I'm marrying Camilla whether you like it or not." Diana was just collateral to him.

The invention of the scene where Charles sees Diana dressed as a wood nymph.
I felt that was a bit of beautiful yet blatant emotional manipulation.
The fact that Thatchers son was lost a month before the Falklands crisis erupted.
There are lots of plot spinning inventions written in, but it’s still great television.

@RuffleCrow

I think however you spin it, Charles took advantage of an idealistic teenager, with no regard for the emotional impact it would have on her, or what might be in her best interests. It was "easier" for him to do that than it was for him to grow a spine and say "I'm marrying Camilla whether you like it or not." Diana was just collateral to him.

Camilla was already married and had been for some while. She married APB without telling him first.

I actually really dislike Diana, she comes across as very fake, though growing up I never really understood the fascination with her, my DM loved her. We are on episode 6 now I think.

I have some sympathy with the situation Charles was in. He felt backed into a corner. However, having proposed and then married, he should have cut Camilla off and committed himself to making the marriage work, rather than treating D as appallingly as he did. He is selfish and weak. God knows what Camilla thought she was playing at. Having her cake and eating it too. Having married APB, and found he was a serial cheat, she then ruined another young woman’s life out of selfishness herself. I suspect the kudos of being his mistress was intoxicating for her.

Finished last night. I loved it. And I have to go against the grain here and say I thought Gillian Anderson was fantastic as Thatcher. The voice is uncanny. Having grown up in the 80s myself, it was so much more relatable than the previous series and I think struck the right tone of the 80s as being a very grey and tough time for normal people. The episode with the guy who broke into Buckingham palace was spot on, the dole queues etc. Charles mask is really slipping in this season, not the dreamy wet character anymore. His nasty self entitled side came through. I feel for William and Harry seeing that all play out though. How awkward! I really enjoyed it.

I think that having mistresses and affairs just wasn't that big of a deal to them.

Obviously it’s fiction based on factual happenings but I can’t help but be so sad at the Diana story. We all pretty much know what happened without The Crown, but this brings it home to what a lie they all spun. I was 10 when they got married and it was a fairytale wedding to me, what a waste.

That's not really material @Runningdownthathill as she was still shagging Charles and could easily have got divorced if he'd given her the green light. As she did in the end anyway.

I thought that Charles & Camilla didn't have an affair until a few years into the marriage.

Not that that makes it OK of course.

When C&C married, didn't HM say something about after many hurdles/obstacles, C was "finally home & dry with the woman he loves".

If so, I think that that would be an utterly crass thing to say in front of his sons.

Or am I reading to much into it & mistakenly taking from it that C never loved Diana?