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Self-justifying attention-seeking strategies and manipulative psychoses in Aussie faux-scientific anthropological claptrap. MAFS Part Deux.

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SchadenfreudePersonified · 24/07/2020 17:43

Hello All.

I hope it's bonza that I took the liberty of starting a second thread - just didn't want us gong walkabout in the bush (pardon my Fronch Grin) if we ran out of the other (whoops did it again!)

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Lardlizard · 25/07/2020 12:47

I’d be gutted if my dd came home with someone abusive and controlling

Lardlizard · 25/07/2020 12:47

That Lauren must be breatjgjna. Huge sigh of relief

The experts have certainly picked people that deliberately won’t work

warbies92 · 25/07/2020 12:57

Posted this on the other thread as there was still lots of space left!:

We're a few episodes behind, we have watched as far as the one where the different sets of parents meet each other.

Can someone reassure me that it stops being all about Cheryl and Abandrew please? The girls' night episode was so boring, only Cheryl was talking. They weren't even married, they shouldn't even be there!

Also, I am losing a huge amount a respect for Nadia. $200 a day or not, she should have pulled him up on how rude he was to the internet call centre woman and left him after that. She is continuing to stand by while his behaviour gets even more repulsive - why?!

RinderTinderNotRinderGrinder · 25/07/2020 13:03

I would love to see what really happened for Lauren to have left. Meathead was awful too. The contrast between Simon on the aisle, saying “I hope she likes me” and him saying “If I don’t like her I’ll walk now” was stark.

There seem to be two types of men who struggle to find the one; those who are utter shitheads but think they’re great, and those who have had their confidence knocked meaning they just haven’t put themselves out there. I do love making the complexities of interactions unnecessarily simplistic for broad generalisations Grin

SchadenfreudePersonified · 25/07/2020 13:22

I think probably AnTHony, Lardlizard, but it's close call.

I think Abandrew would be more likely to use his fists, and his openly destructive behaviour is more noticeable - that makes him slightly less dangerous, perhaps. Family/friends would notice more quickly (and so would the women he gets involved with) and would be there to offer support to anyone who ran like the wind walked away from him.

AnTHony has a surface veneer of charm; he claims to offer an old-fashioned "protective"/ "provider" role - this is just a front to keep "his" woman barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen, no doubt, because she wouldn't have the finances to leave, and years of gradual gaslighting and undermining would also make her doubt herself. I'm sure that if he wanted to, he could also charm many friends and family members ("Oh - but he loves you so much" and "He's working so hard to provide for you, you shouldn't expect him to cook an occasional meal/mind the baby/ stay in a couple of nights a week" and "He's just an old-fashioned guy. It's just his way. He doesn't mean anything by it"). I think he'd be harder to walk away from because in the natural scheme of things, a woman wouldn't realise what he was like until it was very late in the day.

I know Nadia's sister sussed him straight away - but she saw him in his own element, with his family backing him up and making him relax his guard so that he slipped up (His backtracking on the "skateboard" comment was a masterpiece of sh*te!). I think if this whole situation hadn't been hothoused, it could have been several months, even years in the making, and slipped under the radar because it would be background noise by then.

So for that reason alone, I think AnTHony may be worse - but I wouldn't like my DD to come home with either them.

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SpanishFly · 25/07/2020 13:22

When you saw the flashbacks last night, jeez Simon's hair was really appalling. He also seems less awkward in his mannerisms

SchadenfreudePersonified · 25/07/2020 13:29

Can someone reassure me that it stops being all about Cheryl and Abandrew please?

It does.

Eventually.

Re: Nadia - I think she is hoping for media exposure and a secure career in TV or something. She doesn't seem to have a full-time job of any type - p/t flight attendant, p/t pool attendant, p/t model (which seems to be trying on clothes in her mate's shop, and her mate taking pictures to put on FB) - she's not really settled in anything that will bring in a regular decent wage. I think she's just gritting her teeth and thinking of Oz.

He obviously finds him physically repulsive, and I don't think she really likes him at all - it has to be because she wants her face tv as much as she can. But I think he's made a project of her now, just because she won't sleep with him. He's going to dig his heels in - he'll be the one to call a halt, even if it means he has to virtually stalk her for 20 years after the show to get her to agree to even kiss him goodnight. Then he'll think he's won and will chuck her away - probably arrange to meet her and just not turn up, and block all of her calls and texts. He strikes me as that type.

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SchadenfreudePersonified · 25/07/2020 13:31

Simon's hair was really appalling

I didn't think it was appalling exactly - but I do think it made him seem very immature.

I wonder if he and Alene are still together? And what his hair is like now?

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SchadenfreudePersonified · 25/07/2020 13:33

*SHE obviously finds him physically repulsive

He doesn't - he thinks he's lovely. If he was chocolate he'd eat himself as he saying goes!

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Honeyroar · 25/07/2020 13:40

To be fair I think the shots of his hair last night were as bad as it got! The hairdresser had just run her hands through it and fluffed it up.

When we’ve watched all the episodes shall we all google and see what happened after?

I don’t know if I d put poor Jesse with Scarlett. She was a bit too fluffy and princessy. Like a chihuahua!

SpanishFly · 25/07/2020 13:52

@Honeyroar

To be fair I think the shots of his hair last night were as bad as it got! The hairdresser had just run her hands through it and fluffed it up.

When we’ve watched all the episodes shall we all google and see what happened after?

I don’t know if I d put poor Jesse with Scarlett. She was a bit too fluffy and princessy. Like a chihuahua!

It was the wedding hair and the gormless dancing, he was pretty unattractive. Amazing how a decent haircut can do so much.

Agreed, Jesse and Scarlett would have been awful

SchadenfreudePersonified · 25/07/2020 14:39

Yes to googling when all is over and done with.

I'm half-expecting to see Big Andrew's wedding picture - to his creepy mate! Grin

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RinderTinderNotRinderGrinder · 25/07/2020 15:24
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Oh yes. Googling is a must. I’m being so careful not to do it now. I know the second I read what happens I will totally lose interest in it all. I predict none of them are together, but I hope Simon and Alene, and Sean and Susan are still in touch and have all got lovely new relationships going on.

Crumpettes · 25/07/2020 16:12

Anyone noticed how Jesse eats? It’s so distracting - almost gorilla like. He is like a giant toddler, and despite being the same age as him I just want to mother him!

SchadenfreudePersonified · 25/07/2020 17:10

Yes, Crumpettes, I find his eating habits abominable - I would lose weight if I were married to him because I wouldn't be able to fakery own food watching him across the table.

he has his fork in his right hand, too. I wondered if that was an Australia thing as well as American, but all of the others seem to eat "properly."

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SchadenfreudePersonified · 25/07/2020 17:23

I've just found this on another thread - remind you of anyone?

THE WATER TORTURER [Lundy Bancroft, Why Does He Do That?]

The Water Torturer's style proves that anger doesn't cause abuse. He can assault his partner psychologically without even raising his voice. He tends to stay calm in arguments, using his own evenness as a weapon to push her over the edge. He often has a superior or contemptuous grin on his face, smug and self-assured. He uses a repertoire of aggressive conversational tactics at low volume, including sarcasm, derision—such as openly laughing at her—mimicking her voice, and cruel, cutting remarks. Like Mr. Right, he tends to take things she has said and twist them beyond recognition to make her appear absurd, perhaps especially in front of other people. He gets to his partner through a slow but steady stream of low-level emotional assaults, and perhaps occasional shoves or other minor acts of violence that don't generally cause visible injury but may do great psychological harm. He is relentless in his quiet derision and meanness.

The impact on a woman of all these subtle tactics is that either her blood temperature rises to a boil or she feels stupid and inferior, or some combination of the two. In an argument, she may end up yelling in frustration, leaving the room crying, or sinking into silence. The Water Torturer then says, See, you're the abusive one, not me. You're the one who's yelling and refusing to talk things out rationally. I wasn't even raising my voice. It's impossible to reason with you.

The psychological effects of living with the Water Torturer can be severe. His tactics can be difficult to identify, so they sink in deeply. Women can find it difficult not to blame themselves for their reactions to what their partner does if they don't even know what to call it. When someone slaps you in the face, you know you've been slapped. But when a woman feels psychologically assaulted, with little idea why, after an argument with The Water Torturer, she may turn her frustration inward. How do you seek support from a friend, for example, when you don't know how to describe what is going wrong?

The Water Torturer tends to genuinely believe that there is nothing unusual about his behavior. When his partner starts to confront him with his abusiveness—which she usually does sooner or later—he looks at her as if she were crazy and says, What the hell are you talking about? I've never done anything to you. Friends and relatives who have witnessed the couple's interactions may back him up. They shake their heads and say to each other, I don't know what goes on with her. She just explodes at him sometimes, and he's so low-key. Their children can develop the impression that Mom blows up over nothing. She herself may start to wonder if there is something psychologically wrong with her.

The Water Torturer is payback-oriented like most abusive men, but he may hide it better. If he is physically abusive, his violence may take the form of cold-hearted slaps for your own good or to get you to wake up rather than explosive rage. His moves appear carefully thought out, and he rarely makes obvious mistakes—such as letting his abusiveness show in public—that could turn other people against him or get him in legal trouble.

If you are involved with a Water Torturer, you may struggle for years trying to figure out what is happening. You may feel that you overreact to his behavior and that he isn't really so bad. But the effects of his control and contempt have crept up on you over the years. If you finally leave him, you may experience intense periods of delayed rage, as you become conscious of how quietly but deathly oppressive he was.

This style of man rarely lasts long in an abuser program unless he has a court order. He is so accustomed to having complete success with his tactics that he can't tolerate an environment where the counselors recognize and name his maneuvers and don't let him get away with them. He tends to rapidly decide that his group leaders are as crazy as his partner and heads for the door.

The central attitudes driving the Water Torturer are:

• You are crazy. You fly off the handle over nothing.

• I can easily convince other people that you're the one who is messed up.

• As long as I'm calm, you can't call anything I do abusive, no matter how cruel.

• I know exactly how to get under your skin.

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finished31 · 25/07/2020 18:03

Please Please Please don't spoil if anyone Google's were they all are now.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 25/07/2020 18:50

Don't worry finished - I don't think any of us want to do that - most of us just want to watch it. the one or two who have "redhead" have been very clear that they won't post anything revealing.

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hoxtonbabe · 25/07/2020 20:11

Ugh.. the twins are horrid. You have one that is taking the absolute mick by stringing her “husband” along and even has the audacity to say she owes it to Jesse and herself to continue to the end...Excuse me luv you owe it to that poor lad to be honest and should have left weeks ago to spare him. Then you have the other twit of a sister expecting Nick to bare his soul but she grumbling about doing it in return, waffling on about getting hurt when out of the two of them she’s the one who has actually cheated on a partner in the past. You can’t make this shite up!

Moreover, why is is down to the men to do all the impressing and wooing?!?! With the exception of Susan and Nadia ( but that’s only because spoony is a super pratt and doesn’t deserve any kind of wooing or impressing from any woman) the women also should be making more effort than dressing up and gracing the men with their presence 🙄

Destinysdaughter · 25/07/2020 20:12

Did anyone else feel that the women were really starting to get cold feet tonight?
( even Nadia!)Especially as the reality of their decisions were sinking in...

Destinysdaughter · 25/07/2020 20:21

SchadenfreudePersonified
Was that Lundy post about Abandrew, or Nadia's partner? Could be both tbh.

Also I think I've had partners like that before, and yes, water torture is a v good description of it!

AnneOfQueenSables · 25/07/2020 21:15

He will watch your children cough their little lungs up if you have spent your quota that week, rather than buy a bottle of Buttercup Syrup
This made me laugh out loud. You are very good at painting pictures @SchadenfreudePersonified Grin
I thought the Water Torturer was Abandrew - the lack of responsibility, mocking voices, gaslighting, etc.
As for Jesse writing in caps, I did wonder if Michelle was dyslexic because she looked panicked when he asked her to read it aloud. Of course, she might just have been worried about what it was going to say.
The only ones I can see lasting are Simon and Alene.
I don't think Susan and Sean will make it. I don't blame Susan for not wanting to move but I do blame her for dragging this process out ... unless Sean agreed he'd like get £200 per day, some nice places to stay and his heart broken on international TV.

bibliomania · 25/07/2020 22:16

I assume Sean and Susan are enjoying all the shagging. Newly loved-up shagging plus 200 dollars a day- who'd want to bring that to a premature end?

Italiangreyhound · 26/07/2020 02:50

RinderTinderNotRinderGrinder "If the experts tell me that one more action is “crucial” I’m going to.., well... continue watching probably, but most irately."

Yeah me too, if I hear the phrase Have/had/didn't have/doesn't have my back again, I will .... ".. continue watching probably, but most irately."

Oh I'm watching on catch up and the male 'expert' just said "it is essential that our couples have each others' backs if they want to survive in this experiment."

The experts are totally buying Nick and Sharon. I totally do not.

Italiangreyhound · 26/07/2020 02:57

Which date would you have most liked? Sky diving with V and A, Ballooning with S and S, a funfair with N and S, a boat trip with J and M, opera in the woods with A and N, or roof top sunset meal with A and S?

Hotel and ballooning for me!

I did notice that Vanessa said it will be a long-distance relationship and that doesn't bode well.

I think once it is over Nadia and the twins will move on. I think V and won't last but I have high hopes for Simon and Alene and Sean and Susan.

I kind of feel they shouldn't have people with kids on this programme because it just doesn't seem fair to set people up when one person just cannot move because of kids.

Speaking of the notes, is anyone else thinking the doodles are getting unnecessary attention!!

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