I give you clear warning, this place is goiing to go NUTS when Channel Four airs Bringing Up Baby on the 25th Sept... Claire Verity!!!

[Aitch]

seriously. i'm watching it now for work and it is terribly upsetting. Claire Verity says 'i'm a bitch, i'm mean to them but it works', no touching, no eye contact, lots of talking about 'baby', presumably because she can't be arsed remembering the name... oh it's AWFUL.

Sponsored by Huggies, Pampers featured in the ad breaks.

Yes, Dreena doesn't feature too highly on my list of People I Aspire To Parent Like.

Although I did do the patting on back/bottom thing when holding the boys - works well. As does the holding firmly thing.

But I knew that before she said it because it's Common Sense

it's not just common sense, it's instinct. dd pats me on the back as well when i pick her up and she's tired, i think it's hard-wired.

must go to bed but im so glad there are lots of other mums who feel the same way as i do.

If its sponsored by huggies, i will email them tommorrow and say i will withdraw my business (secretly i use bamboozles real nappies and bambo disposables - but they are not to know [sneaky emoticon])

night night x off to cuddle ds and watch him as he giggles in his sleep, the little cutie!

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Actually, saying that, Aitch, you're right, both boys have patted when they're picked up. I love it!

Hey, MNHQ - can we get CV on here for a live chat?

i absolutely love it too... it makes me hug her closer and pat her back. there's that manipulation CV's talking about.

I actually really, really object to having "gurus" out there spouting this sort of shit.

I used to HATE that if I lay gazing into the DSs' beautiful big brown eyes at night, there was a sneaking "no eye contact!" shrilling faintly at the back of my thoughts. Fucking woman who put it there. Still did it though

Surely though, most people would not be as straight down the line as these 'experts' suggest? This is just another reality show where it is edited to look shocking. I'm sure nobody would leave a tiny baby crying and when the cameras were off, or where the show was edited, the mother would have went to her babe - or am I being naive?

did you see the programme, lucy?

do you think her mother didnt love her and she wants revenge on the world

a 94 yr old lady I knew and who died a year ago would have summed up CV this way:
"I don't think she got enough cuddles when she was a baby."

she also thought it was great that i was a bfer.

Yes I did watch the programme. I was shocked with the baby being left in the garden for 3 hours - why not go for a walk to get fresh air? but then again, I am not convinced that the parents would be as strict when the cameras were off.

I also found the continuum lady upsetting, especially when she said only bf mothers could follow that method. I felt uncomfortable at the way the mother was being handled, and the lack of sensitivity to non bf mothers - for whatever reason they may have - they are obviously not welcome

well, i don't know about the second CV family but there's a piece in the Daily Mail about the woman with twins and she says that she loved the routine. i think the peer pressure of having a camera crew in your house making a programme about a routine would make you do funny things. also, i've noticed having seen two eps, the men seem very keen to reinforce the routine and also adopt the role of caring protector to their upset wives. it seems to be a weird win-win for them.

yep that was annoying. later she says that only 2% of women can't bf, so i suppose she was meaning it from that perspective but it didn't come across well i agree.

Personally I found a routine invaluable to me between 3 and 8 weeks - it was not rigid at all but did provide some kind of timetable to try and work on. Then again I had no friends with children and was going very much by the book. I could not have left a newborn out in the garden with the door closed though - tempting as it may be at times.

I spent 4 days in hospital having at least 6 midwives and one bf specialist trying to get dd to feed. In the end it was said she as going to starve and ff was the best option. I did try using a breast pump but was left alone after my cs and after 3 failed attempts gave up. I am probably a bit sensitive on the subject (eight months later)

a friend of mine has 3 dds and the longest she bf was 4mo. She follows the Cont. Conc. as closely as she could. Bedsharing was not being an option as her dh smokes but she did room in with her dd. (cot near the bed)

Cont. Conc. is not an all or nothing, thing. Surely the fact that we are not living in a stone age culture means that some things have to be adapted for lots of different reasons. The thing is, Jean Leidloff didn't write a childcare manual. Infact, everything she said about child rearing with the Yequana in this book adds up to maybe a page, maybe less?

Well I have posted my complaint to Ofcom this morning!!!

Totally agree that CV is actually showing other parents that that is the right way to parent....... A form of child neglect I think.....

As someone said earlier (in amonst the 900+ threads), who are the people that pay £1000 a day, celebrities who probably want babies as a status symbol like those tiny dogs they take everywhere! CV was of "neglect" parenting would be ideal for them as they can then get on with prancing around in their prada and sunglasses.....I know not all celebrities are like that but I am sure I could hazard a guess and name some names but won't....

It's just so so sad.....

Sarah x

I havent read all posts, so sorry if this has already been said, but that CV woman seems to resent babies!

If you had a dog and 'cared' for it using her method it would barely be acceptable.

Yet she seems to believe babies have an agenda and are conniving enough to think 'oh goody, i've got mum's attention now, I've won' when the mum does something as instinctive as picking it up when they are days old!

I pity those poor parents who got saddled with her as their 'guru'.

I'm just so glad that at last we get to see sling wearing and positive attitude to co-sleeping and bf on tv!

I'm dead against the programme experimenting with babies, especially using CV's extreme methods. But I do think using 3 different styles actually helps to show that there is no RIGHT way - an element sadly lacking in most baby programmes.

I feel sorry for the CV babies, and hugged my co-sleeping 10 month old even more in bed last night than usual. But surely their parents would have used a similar method with or without CV?

What's upsetting is that it's probably the pressure of going back to work for that mother that's forcing her to use a routine based system. (And that's prob true for many celebs too - tho' at least they have a choice).

I knew it! When I watched CV last night I said to my DH I reckoned she was animal mad and let them have the run of her house.....just read The Times article on her and I was right! What is it with people like that? Why be nice to animals and nasty to children?

God - I had to turn it off when they put the baby outside and the dad said to the older child that they couldn't pick the baby up. Didn't watch it all so can't comment on whether this was depicted as a good thing or not - concerning though - I would argue that leaving a child outside for 3 hours while you shut the door is neglect.

Have complianed to both ch4 and ofcom. thnaks for the links.
I'm still so this morning