I give you clear warning, this place is goiing to go NUTS when Channel Four airs Bringing Up Baby on the 25th Sept... Claire Verity!!!

[Aitch]

seriously. i'm watching it now for work and it is terribly upsetting. Claire Verity says 'i'm a bitch, i'm mean to them but it works', no touching, no eye contact, lots of talking about 'baby', presumably because she can't be arsed remembering the name... oh it's AWFUL.

i am serious

are they (the 'gurus') living with them?

there are loads of wearing videos on youtube, etc. just ask...

I think they get 10 minutes a day or something but they aren't even allowed to cuddle them when feeding in case they fall asleep.

This is so sad, that poor baby.

My SIL loves CV, but she's a hard faced bitch who leaves her ten year old alone after school so she can continue her career. About to have my nephew or niece, makes my blood boil but what can i say to her?

why oh why would any parent sign up for this programme?

I wouldn't use my child as a guinea pig

Surely no one is that desperate to be on the telly?

Notanotter - do you think this woman is doing no harm?

presumably she has no children of her own....?

How annoying this program is.I actually think it's an interesting experiment and quite worthwhile - but yes, yes I agree that CV is beyond extreme. It should not have been an experiment only for the first three months because a) even mad routine gurus like She Who must Not Be Named say that you can't really start a routine in the first 6 weeks and b) you can't measure "success" - whatever that might be - after just 3 months.

If sleeping through and being settled and happy generally are measures of success, they should follow the babies up to 12 months. Very often the benefit of routines can be seen a bit later when the baby is settled and because they have a good routine, you can also relax and be more flexible with it. They should have started it at 3 months and gone on to 1 year old. But that would have been more expensive to make, i suppose.

And obviously it's v annoying that they chose the Devil Woman who makes GF look moderate to advocate routine, because it doesn't show that you can have a routine and still kiss and love your baby and sleep in the same room etc and that it works for some people. Humph.

BOM I don't think so
Her argument seems to be that they are basically just machines, milk in poo out, occassionally they malfuntion and emit a loud wailing noise - just wear earplugs

10 minutes
SERIOUSLY??

10 minutes a day??? OMG...........

I hope they just do it anyway. Is she there 24/7 to make sure they don't or can they sneak a cuddle at night?????

do you know of someone that used her NAO?

Oh lor, I don't know what I'd say, but I'd say something

Legitimized child abuse, IMO.

I know what dd (10 mos) would have to say about the no cuddles thing 'babies don't want to be cuddled' - !

Anyway I can't watch it anymore because dh wants to watch something else and we're going on holiday tomorrow and why am I in denial about having to pack and watching TV and posting on mumsnet instead?

kiskidee- really?! Yay! (Am terrified of trying to read instructions, doing it wrong and dropping poor bugger!)

Seeing the breastfeeding is making me desperate to have baby now- i loved breastfeeding DS. [smooshy emoticon]

Oh god they're prodding her boob at the poor little chap!

Sorry, first bit to Sarahtwobratz

At what age are the CV couples "allowed" to start cuddling the baby? Can they cuddle/play with them when they are 6 months old? Or must they continue to ignore them then?

what makes me angry is that the poor mum was saying "its so hard but I know I have to do it". Why for gods sake?

thankyou littlelapin for the link have registered my support on the anti cv blog.
can't be good to go to bed this

DEFINATELY shouldn't be any routines like this before 6 weeks. But was she there when "it" was born then, to make sure they didn't cuddle her?? OMG, how could they?? All I wanted to do was hold them, and kiss them, and stroke their silky newborn skin, and snuzzle them and smell that baby smell.
I assume they can smell them if they want to??

Damn it! Have missed it... bloody demand breasfeeding... knew I should have done controlled crying and bottlefed- if only just to see this programme!

i do not think what i have seen is 'harmful'

not nice
not my parenting style
not long term damage imo

OH [SHOCK]MY [SHOCK]GOD[SHOCK] I have had to leave TV because I am screaming at it ...I am the first to admit that dc4 was a sort of GF baby because I had a lot on my plate but A) I wish that I had been told it would have been OK to hold dc1 for the first six months when that was so obviously what he wanted and I felt I couldn't and was told I shouldn't and B) that bloody 1950's woman is a sadist - shutting the door on a newborn baby in the garden on a cold day for 3 hours and ignoring the dad's obvious distress - unbelievable . Sorry, will calm down now and revert to normal controlled personality....