White House Farm - The Bamber Murders. Jan 8th ITV 9pm

[Dogleg]

Is anyone else planning to watch this six part series? I vaguely remembered the killings and on seeing this advertised have now lost hours to reading up about it online and have also downloaded a book about the case. I’m really looking forward to this one!

www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2019-12-25/itv-drama-white-house-farm/

[AlexaAmbidextra]

I was struck by the number of injuries apparently found on Neville Bamber, compared with very little for Sheila Caffell. If that's correct, it does seem to suggest it couldn't have been her because surely he would have fought back and at least caused her some injuries.

How well would you be able to fight back with four gunshot wounds to your head and face? It was established that these initial four wounds didn’t kill him.

[LordOfTheWhys]

Alexa why don't you start a thread about your campaign for Jeremy? It would be a better place for the tone of your comments.

[Equanimitas]

So you know more about the rules of evidence, AlexaAmbidextra, than several judges? Have it your own way.

[Equanimitas]

How well would you be able to fight back with four gunshot wounds to your head and face? It was established that these initial four wounds didn’t kill him.

It would rather depend which came first, wouldn't it - the attack or the shooting.

[AlexaAmbidextra]

Alexa why don't you start a thread about your campaign for Jeremy? It would be a better place for the tone of your comments.

No thanks. I’m happy to stay here. I wasn’t aware that you were allowed to post on this thread only if you believed that JB was guilty.

[LordOfTheWhys]

That's not what I said but just a reminder that the courts decided he was guilty and there are still grieving relatives who may read your poorly researched comments that you're presenting as facts. It seems disrespectful to them and the victims. At least if you had your own thread making the intent clear in the title, people would know what to expect and no-one could accidentally stumble across it.

[AlexaAmbidextra]

I would imagine that anyone who is still adversely emotionally affected by this would steer clear of the television drama and any discussion thereof. Any information that I have posted is freely available and well documented on the internet in its original form ie. police logs, amended police logs, post mortem and coroners reports. I am not fabricating evidence. It’s all there if you care to look.

[HeIenaDove]

I'm finding the murderer's supporters quite unsettling. They're all over the Twitter threads about the programme


The comments ive seen them making about Colin Caffell are disgusting.........comments like "he hasnt done too badly out of it"


Cunts!

[DuckWillow]

Sheila loaded and reloaded a gun more than once without damaging her perfectly manicured and painted nails. No way would that have happened.

And in her weakened state after the first gunshot wound the second fatal shot would have catapulted the rifle away from her. Instead she was lying with the rifle on her neatly arranged.

Nope not buying that for a second.

[wellthissucks]

Don’t they usually test to see if they have gunpowder on their hands etc too?

[wellthissucks]

Maybe that’s only handguns

[ElderAve]

I'm sure it was mentioned at some point (by the sergeant) that she had no gun shot residue on her.

As for the gun (silencer?) having all and sundry's DNA on it, I don't think police were using DNA in that way then anyway

[BeyondFlubeInclusionaryRF]

Just catching up on the thread having watched ep2, but - while I'm not saying he is innocent, fwiw I do think he probably did it - I really don't think that the evidence presented was enough to convict BRD. Especially the evidence presented by his then ex-girlfriend (from what I remember they split up and then she came forward) and the cousins - who then inherited the estate once he was convicted.

And I'm welsh and I have no idea wtf SG is supposed to be

[LordOfTheWhys]

Beyond SG's accent is awful! He should apologise to all Welsh people.

[Charley50]

Thanks to the pp who mentioned Anne Lister's sister; it's been bugging me where I've seen her before. I can imagine her being a comedian too.

[BeyondFlubeInclusionaryRF]

She's in Game of Thrones too, charley

[Peapod29]

Anyone watched this documentary? If everything they present (explores both sides) is true, I can’t believe he was convicted either. There just doesn’t seem to be any proper evidence and the ex girlfriend was hardly reliable, she sounds unhinged too, admitting that she wanted to smother JB in his sleep after he dumped her. That said there’s so much that doesn’t add up about Sheila killing them either and the police records are literally all over the place. I guess it’s what makes it a fascinating case.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=_td7DSMdDuU

[LordOfTheWhys]

I don't think the gf's statement is that compelling. I think the case rests on Sheila being discounted because of ballistics, gun placement, the gun being hard to load, the DF being overpowered, Sheila having no other injuries despite the tussle with the DF, etc, (that's without taking into account the 'silencer') . And if it wasn't Sheila then the DF couldn't have said it was in the phone call so then Jeremy becomes the only other feasible option.

[bridgetjones1]

I absolutely love Steven Graham, he’s brilliant in whatever he does, but my goodness his welsh accent is appalling 🙈

It’s hard know what to think, I don’t think Sheila did it but the evidence that Jeremy did it seems to be sketchy at best. For what it’s worth I think he did do it, but it’s interesting that he’s the only full life term prisoner that continues to protest his innocence..........

[bohemia14]

I knew the family slightly and remember the case well at the time. I'm a similar age to Jeremy. I have never for one moment doubted that he is guilty.

[TheCountessofFitzdotterel]

Neither version completely adds up. I think the easiest way to make sense of it all is the idea that Bamber was guilty but was fitted up. I do think the police are hiding something but it's not one of the outlandish ideas peddled by the supporters (some of them have tried to argue that the police accidentally shot Sheila, for instance) just that they didn't want to risk not getting a conviction because they would be blamed given how they had messed up the crime scene, so they put together the story as to how it all worked that they thought they could best get to stick.

[DuckWillow]

Sheila has no gunpowder residue on her.
Sheila also had nail varnish in which would have chipped and her nails are likely to have broken had she loaded and reloaded the gun that many times.

And @AlexaAmbidextra I don’t agree you should start your own thread. You have posted your beliefs about the case very civilly and you are entitled to your own view about the case. The good thing is that we don’t all have to agree.

This case is fascinating and I’ve followed it for years, I think Jeremy is guilty but I can cope with the reality that others do not agree,

[poseysbobblehat]

Is there any evidence that the killer could be someone other than Jeremy or Shelia ?

[Piggywaspushed]

The actress isn't Shakespeare's Daughter in Upstart Crow. she plays his female friend who comes up with all his ideas and wants to act. Gemma Whelan.

[AdoptedBumpkin]

Poseysbobblehat, it's an intriguing thought but they seemed to think there was only one way out which only someone familiar with the house would know about.

If there is a guilty third party, they must be laughing their socks off.