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White House Farm - The Bamber Murders. Jan 8th ITV 9pm

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Dogleg · 30/12/2019 21:04

Is anyone else planning to watch this six part series? I vaguely remembered the killings and on seeing this advertised have now lost hours to reading up about it online and have also downloaded a book about the case. I’m really looking forward to this one!

www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2019-12-25/itv-drama-white-house-farm/

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WingingItSince1973 · 23/01/2020 16:51

My friend just lost her elderly parents within a few weeks of each other. Within a week of her mums passing someone broke into the bungalow her parents had lived for 30 years and stole precious jewellery and war medals. So Anne was probably trying to keep the sentimental and valuable items safe by removing them in case of break ins. Apart from that I do think shes a bit odd but then she has just had half of her family massacred

Aworldofmyown · 23/01/2020 16:58

I've listened to the podcast suggested and think it's definitely him, but maybe not as we are led to believe. It has been appealed and revisisited so many times with seemingly credible points (as the original investigation was such a shit show) and yet multiple judges and groups of judges have ruled against him.
There is evidence that cannot be released to the public, so I suspect they know he did it but can't release why and he knows this too.
Even over turning his life means life term has been refused - they know something we can't know!!

nokidshere · 23/01/2020 17:00

So Anne was probably trying to keep the sentimental and valuable items safe by removing them in case of break ins.

But she shouldn't have been in the house? At that point it belonged to JB didn't it? And removing things from someone's house without permission is stealing.

I veer between guilty and not guilty as far as JB is concerned, but really, the whole investigation was badly conducted and flawed.

Aworldofmyown · 23/01/2020 17:01

Also, re Ann moving in. I think I would have. It was such a massive case all over the papers you can imagine it turning into some kind of macabre fascination for some people - best to keep it in the family.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 23/01/2020 17:15

The house has always belonged to a charity - the Bamber parents were tenants and the tenancy was going to pass to Jeremy before he was arrested. The Eatons took it over. The police had fitted a burglar alarm and needed someone to hold the keys and Jeremy didn't want to go in at that stage so they gave them to Ann.

JessJonesJumps · 23/01/2020 17:23

But she shouldn't have been in the house?
Jeremy told the police he didn't want the keys and didn't want to go back to the house. That's how Ann ended up with them. The police had to give them to a member of the family and Jeremy refused to take them at first.
Plus Ann didn't go back to the house alone. The estate's executor was with her when they were collecting items for safe-keeping and found the silencer. I imagine the executor knew who was allowed access. After all it was his professional reputation on the line.

nokidshere · 23/01/2020 17:36

@JessJonesJumps ahhh now it's clearer thanks

PennyRoyal · 23/01/2020 17:43

@Aworld That's interesting. I wonder what could possibly be kept from the public? What do you think might be held back? I might try and listen to the podcast later.

JessJonesJumps · 23/01/2020 17:59

@nokidshere the discover of the silencer was so important and so odd since the police missed it that I read up about it and that's why I remembered there was an 'official' third party there. I think, the company secretary might have been there too.
Jeremy probably did accuse Ann of stealing but only because they hated each other and he wanted to sell everything he could get his hands on!

almostfreeatlast · 23/01/2020 20:16

What could they know that they can’t release to the public though?

Aworldofmyown · 23/01/2020 21:53

On the podcast apparently there is evidence that Bambers team want released to them but has been denied. There is only a few reasons why they can legally do that.

FlamingoAndJohn · 23/01/2020 22:56

I understand why she moved the stuff out. That farmhouse is very isolated and everyone local, and not so local, knew what has happened and that it would be empty. She said the solicitor asked her to do it.

Equanimitas · 23/01/2020 23:51

But she shouldn't have been in the house? At that point it belonged to JB didn't it?

It wouldn't have belonged to Bamber till probate had gone through. At this point it was the executors who had authority over it.

JessJonesJumps · 24/01/2020 08:20

Apparently there are crime scene photos they won't release in public that prove the murders were carried out by an experienced shooter.

PolloDePrimavera · 24/01/2020 10:10

Would an experienced shooter fire so many shots though?

JessJonesJumps · 24/01/2020 10:47

Iirc there was an implication that using lots of shots was a red herring because the boys were killed with a single shot. Then the murderer went downstairs, reloaded, went back upstairs and fired some more shots in the boys' room knowing they were already dead but trying to make it look as though the gunman wasn't that experienced.

CanIHaveATiaraPlease · 24/01/2020 16:22

But wouldn’t the defence have access to those photos? Do you think the photos imply JB is maybe innocent? Just wondering out loud. Not demanding answers.

JessJonesJumps · 24/01/2020 16:49

No idea Smile I think the police have to release all evidence that could point to innocence so they must feel the evidence they're with-holding points to him being guilty.
I've only read some articles/interviews on this. I'm starting to wonder if I should read the books...

LillianGish · 24/01/2020 18:53

I usually watch this on catch up on ITV hub. Does anyone know why the latest episode isn't available at the moment?

purpleme12 · 24/01/2020 19:10

Oh what I hope it is I need to watch it when I get home!!

ILoveYou3000 · 24/01/2020 19:29

I watched on ITV hub this morning

AlexaAmbidextra · 24/01/2020 19:49

No idea smile I think the police have to release all evidence that could point to innocence so they must feel the evidence they're with-holding points to him being guilty.

There was much evidence that Essex Police withheld at the trial if they felt it would impede their case. Do read up about it. There is much more to this case if you spend some time researching it.

ToEarlyForDecorations · 24/01/2020 19:52

Why would Sheila have done it and not inherited because she's dead ? Would she have done it to ensure JB got everything ? Nope.

The only gain out of this, of course, was JB. So he had the motivation to murder. He was bragging about what he was to gain i.e. the caravan site is about to buy me a sports car. Or words to that effect.

Aworldofmyown · 24/01/2020 19:53

There is also evidence that cannot be disclosed for reasons the public are not allowed to know (for example risk to informant, national security etc etc)
Not just because it might have impeded a guilty verdict.

JessJonesJumps · 24/01/2020 20:10

Alexa if the police had deliberately with-held evidence that could have affected the verdict, then his conviction would have been quashed on appeal. That hasn't happened despite JB regularly heralding 'new' information. How awful it must be for the remaining family members, that JB consistently puts them through this.