Love island 8 the Anton appreciation thread 🏝☀️

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Here we go!

proteinshakesandtears - I'm definitely not lumping everyone together! I think my post makes that clear, and I agree with the poster who said we shouldn't.

I was trying to make it clear that not everyone is acting with a racial bias against Yewande (and I go through cycles of liking people too!). But, just because you're not influenced by race doesn't mean anyone else isn't.

It's really important that people challenge this kind of structural racism when they see it. (For anyone not sure of what this means, read back through the thread, some good explanations). As a teacher, I've seen it in a very damaging attitude to black girls by some people. And it can't be challenged if it's not recognised.

Definitely possible some people just don't like Yewande, but just important not to dismiss the fact that some will be affected by unconscious bias.

It's interesting you've taken that from my posts, protein. Maybe quote me next time? Please block me in the meantime so we can ignore each other and continue to enjoy the threads.

In the time it took me to write my post munhu has made the same points much better!

I can see why it's frustrating if you take it personally, but I don't think there's a need to.

And discussing racism shouldn't be isolated to its own thread! I love the gossip, but I think it's great that LI also gives the opportunity to discuss serious issues too.

rocking don't worry, you made it very clear and have been very balanced. Some people want to personalise the comments and you have to wonder why? If they can't relate, then they wouldn't feel it was directed at them. Like I've said before, if the shoe fits...

I think pp's are right - IF anyone is being held to a higher standard it is the less attractive girls. I.e Amy and Yewande. If you don't find them attractive in the first place then find their personality is a bit 'meh' ... they're easier to dislike I suppose?

However, I'm sure I'll be labelled as racist for finding Yewande less attractive than Molly Mae.

Definitely possible some people just don't like Yewande

I dislike her personality and behaviour. It seems lots of people do. I also dislike Amy’s behaviour and personality. I was willing Yewande to be nice simply because we are both Irish. Instead I find her rude and unpleasant. I find Amy petulant and unpleasant.

If either of them were more beautiful would it make a difference? Probably. Sadly. If either of them had a better personality would it make a difference? Yes. That is the reality of life.

Spot on @SlipperOrchid

gummybear11 I agree attractiveness could well be a factor in how people'personalities and abilities are judged. I think I've seen studies where good looking people are more likely to be promoted at work etc!

Structural racism is nonetheless a huge problem, and it's flippant at best, to dismiss the posts trying to explain this as just labelling personal preferences as racism. Just to be clear: that's not what's being said! But I think that has been explained very clearly for people who want to read it.

Anyone's reasoned personal dislike of Yewande doesn't mean there isn't any chance of any unconscious bias from anyone else.

@rockingchaircandle
I understand that other posts have presented structural racism - in response to criticism of Yewande. Isn't it safe to say these posters are accusing criticisers of Yewande as being racist, unconscious or not? Why else would they bring it up on this thread/in response to people stating they don't like her.

I can't bloody stand Amy either.

I just wonder why people get so defensive at possible being labelled racist ( and I don’t think anyone is actually being called that here).
Other posters are discussing racial bias which happens a lot!

If you are not clued up on that then maybe read the link posted by a previous poster.

@gummybear11 some people will be being racist probably, but I think will be angry to hear that. Again only some!
And we don't have anyway of knowing who those people are. If it's unconscious, we've been conditioned to think like that by forces outside our control - the media etc. It doesn't mean those people are in any way inherently bad, but also means it's important to consider how you're forming opinions.

Without going into in too much detail, I think the problem with racism is that there are lots of different levels and most people would be hard pressed to avoid them all!
As a white woman I benefit from structural racism all the time, in more ways of than I'm aware of I'm sure, and in ways I don't always challenge.

There's lots of types of prejudice going on in the house, I agree, and it's interesting to consider how we're forming our (heated!) opinions with so little to go on!

But no one is claiming it's racist to prefer one girl over another.

People get defensive because it is an exasperating reality that the issue of race is very often brought up when it shouldn't be. Very hard to be honest these days about your opinions relating to a person if they happen to be negative and that person happens to have brown skin.

We're allowed to dislike the other girls because they're white, but if we dislike Yewande then racial bias is brought up.

I really don't think that is the reality. Superficially, because a lot of progress has been made it can seem like racism is over, but if you read the articles below it would hopefully make you realise it's not, it's just less visible.

I'd never thought about any of this till a couple of years ago, and I can't remember what sparked me off but I'm glad it did. Unfortunately, it wasn't my teacher training as I think it should have been studied then! It really is worth reading up on though.

Structural inequality is really important, and it's hard to be more likely to be expelled as a black girl than a white girl. It's not really that hard to have your opinions challenged.
Last time with feeling... No one is saying you're racist for preferring a white person!

Of course you can dislike someone with dark skin. What was brought up was 2 women who have displayed similar behaviour yet one has been deemed aggressive/ about to be violent and the other just tantrumming/ childlike.

Anyhoo-race row aside...
anonymous Tom is apparently the man in the Jet 2 advert?

@Jimjamjooney - Olivia Atwood was said to be aggressive when she had that famous row with Montana & Marcel and screamed at everyone. It made her very unpopular for some time with the public.

Insidious racism is a massive problem and I agree that it won't go away on its own and we do need to always challenge stereotypes. But in this case I really don't think Yewandes race is why people have felt she seemed aggressive. She may have calmed down by now. She may not have a tendency to any kind of violence but I felt a bit worried about where that was going at the time.

Just caught up with last nights episode. Yewande was not directly aggressive to arabella but I didn't like what she was saying when she spoke about it after to MM and Amber. She was saying how crazy she goes she was making herself sound absolutely mental. I hope Danny picks arabella. It was out of order for arabella to say antons kiss was horrendous I felt really sorry for him.
Amy did over react but I know I would of been exactly the same as I get jealous as well 😂 I do like her and Curtis.

Mauras face last night when the girls were taking selfies, she makes me laugh so much, so glad she’s in there.
This series though (I’ve watched series 2-4), is the dullest I’ve seen. Last year wasn’t great either buts it’s definitely gotten worse this year. Really hope Casa Amor spices things up.

See the difference between how Yewande was last night and how Molly was the other night is huge...

Yes molly was hurt and angry and showed this to Tommy she never to my knowledge at leas took this out on Maura, she told Maura it was not her fault and it's up to him to choose now.

Yewande however is taking it out on Arabella which is unfair... I'm torn on how to feel about what Arabella told Yewande that Danny had told Arabella, because Danny obviously wasn't going to tell Yewande (either because he wanted to see if Yewande being affectionate was real or whatever reason).

I like to think I would be glad that at least someone told me where I really stood even if it is the other girl...

However she was very rude and angry towards Arabella something that Molly wasn't towards Maura as far as I could tell. She then stormed off and was fuming and said herself she felt the crazy coming out,

now to be fair we don't know if that was towards Arabella or Danny or both...

You just can't really compare the 2.

I'm not saying it because of race, race has nothing to do with this... I lived as an aupair with a Nigerian family for a year and yes they can be loud and extreme but never showed any rage like Yewande did last night.. it has to do with personality.

I need an episode today!

loveya I see the comparison between Molly (who's grown on me) and Yewande differently I think. Molly had a stand up row at Tommy. Yewande hasn't acted like this. Maura was never as bitchy to Molly as Arabella was to Yewande. Yewande didn't 'storm off', they both walked away and only let off steam to her friend afterwards. So I think we disagree about who acted more aggressively, but fair enough.

With your last point, starting with 'I've lived with a Nigerian family...' I think you've misunderstood the entire racial bias argument and it's offensive the way you've made your point.

Diversity in there is so bad.

What because there's too much of it.

Or perhaps there's an over representation of some ethnic groups?

Diversity is bad on LI because there is both too much of it AND too little of it.

Not counting this latest season - up until the end of last year there had been 97 people on LI of whom 17 were not white.

The cast are all in their 20s and the population of England & Wales of those in their 20s is 82% white (for those over 30 it's 88%) so you would expect around 80 white people on the show to match the national figures - which is what there has been.

However, what is troubling is the make up of the non-white contestants. Of the 17, only one (Omar Sultani in 2015) was South Asian and only one was white and Asian mixed (Malin Andersson in 2016). Whereas you would probably expect there to have been 6 South Asians and two white and Asian mixed contestants.

There have also been no contestants who are East Asian or South East Asian either.

On the other hand, there have been 15 black or white and black mixed contestants. Comparing this to the national figures you would only expect there to be 5 white and black mixed or black contestants.

So the show has had a lot more with and black mixed and black contestants on the show at the expense of those with a South Asian or other Asian background.

Why is that?

Aggression is not really about what is said. It is how it is said, the tone, the person's expression and overall sense of whether this could escalate. Yewande definitely did storm off - I don't know how anyone could say she didn't.

I think this row Olivia in the 2017 series had is a sense of aggression that could boil over. Same with Yewande and MM looked concerned and told her to calm down. If Olivia had been black would people have said she was being stereotyped as aggressive?

I don't think Yewande has any feelings for Danny, she manufactured some affection when there was a threat of losing him (and possibly her place in the villa) she's very cold emotionally.

Yewande wasn't aggressive!
Infact she handled the patronising and manipulative Arabella quite well I thought.
Then she was pissed off and had a rant at her friends to let off steam. Perfectly normal. Shes not about to really 'go crazy' as its just a figure of speech. But she is an odd housemate as shes not very open and is in a situation where she has to be. All this 'spill off into violence' is complete rubbish. She didnt scream in anyone's face.

I'm getting fed up now of the constant interfering of the producers and the fact they haven't held proper auditions and just recruited exes this year.
They are terrified of being sued so all the date with Curtis and Amy last night is a clear bid to get them more votes.

Also didn't Arabella tell her boyfriend that she was doing a modelling campaign - then he saw her in Love Island and is heartbroken? The same lad who went out with Lucie and was dumped from the island last year vecause he was coupled with the scouse model who pretended to be thick?

Curtis and Amy will win and will be in the final with MM and Tommy.

Maura and Anton are the only really genuine people in that villa.