LOVE ISLAND THREAD 5.

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Anyone!?

I just think it’s weird that people are seeing Amy as this master manipulator who is trying to turn people against Lucie as evidenced by the few mins a day we seen her talking about her.

As I said above it's not about a few minutes. It's about the timing. I also dont think it about editing either.

I don't think Amy is a master manipulator- I think she's got major issues. Which is why, at 26 she still acts like a playground bully and injects unnecessary drama into every situation.

howwudufeel I doubt that. As she the same views as Joe. Lucie needs to be friends with the girls.

Wrongly or rightly some of the girls feel like Lucie doesn’t like them or want to spend time with them. Should they go out of their way to include her or be nice to her?

Well, yes. Isn't that what people do -try to be kind of include people?

They're going out of their way to be nasty and they're feeding off of each other. I think if they realised what the public think of their actions they'd be mortified. I'm surprised that Amber and Anna can't see Amy for the mean girl she is and they're just lapping it up.

It’s definitely all immature & childish. When Lucie apologised to Amy about the food fight, Amy just said oh ok, I just don’t see that as the actions of a playground bully.

I dont think accepting an apology means you cant possibly be a bully.

Well, yes. Isn't that what people do -try to be kind of include people?

They told her they loved her & wanted to spend time with her?

Gotta dash until tonight.

'They told her they loved her & wanted to spend time with her? '

Have you ever read 'Cat's Eye' by Margaret Atwood? About a woman whose childhood was tainted by so called friends who told her they were only treating her so badly because they cared about her. It's all part of manipulation.

I was agreeing with Amy the whole episode until she started making faces at Lucie which seemed so unnecessary and bitchy. I don't think she realises she's doing it tbh I think she would be absolutely mortified if she saw herself coming across. I don't think either girls will cope with the fame very well once they leave

They love Amber on twitter, none of them seem to see the bullying going on, just a feisty girl (amber) telling it like it is

This is all very dramatic, there’ll be a completely different story to focus on this week and all of this ‘bullying’ will be forgotten.

The 2 new chaps look like they’ll turn a few heads, especially Anna’s date as he has that surfer look Lucie goes for.

Just catching up this morning. Who’s going to start the new thread?

On the Lucie/Joe recoupling - I thought Lucie looked upset because Joe’s little speech was a bit negative.

Everyone else was all “this girl makes me light up and she’s beautiful and we have a connection” etc whereas Joe was all “we’ve had our problems, let’s hope it gets better” and just wasn’t really a glowing endorsement of her or their ‘relationship’.

I don’t think she necessarily wants to get away from him (lack of options mainly!)

Anyone got a good title recommendation for thread 6?

LI Thread 6 - Maura’s nether report, wet with a chance of popsicles.

I love that title RWB, think you should start it.

(And yy about Joe's speech making the poor girl feel even shittier).

I feel like Lucie genuinely doesn't understand the unwritten social expectations. She gets on with who she gets on with and chooses to spend time with them. When someone tells her an issue is forgotten, she believes it and moves on, not realising that the other person may be harbouring a grudge. I believe this is why she gets so upset because people are telling her that she's behaving badly but she doesn't understand what she's doing wrong.

Especially with Tommy. She knows there are no romantic feelings there. He's a good friend and she enjoys spending time with him. Why is that a problem? I like Lucie and I feel very sorry for her.

Joe - massive red flags. All his "I wouldn't accept it on the outside world" crap. He's plain and simple trying to control who she spends time with which is completely unreasonable. I get the issue with the whispering; that's rude behaviour in a group. Also weird that it wasn't subtitled because whispers usually are. But apart from that I can't see that she's done anything wrong and it makes me angry seeing other people trying to control her behaviour.

I think Amy is being mean to Lucy because she sees Amber as the queen bee. And she's a social climber.

At first she was friends with Lucy because she could feel superior to her, giving her 'relationship advice', but also because Lucy was the one with all the drama and boys after her. Then Lucy was happy Amy couldn't feel superior anymore. She liked the power in the friendship

She feels inferior to Amber because she views Amber as the queen bee (with Anna the disciple) now Amber has started being friends with her, the only way Amy can see she can maintain that friendship is to gang up on Lucy. Because she needs to keep someone below her in the social standings to maintain her status and help her self esteem

Its the classic mean girls story, going on in yr 9 classes since the beginning of time.

They told her they loved her & wanted to spend time with her?

Well they don't 'love' her do they, they've known her for a fortnight and spend their time bitching about her. Words are easy - you can't say all the right things then behave badly and think it's ok.

Especially with Tommy. She knows there are no romantic feelings there. He's a good friend and she enjoys spending time with him. Why is that a problem?

Don’t forget that in week 1 she was torn between Joe and Tommy. She clearly fancied him but just thought she’d get on better with Joe. Joe knows that she doesn’t get on better with him, as she’s all whispers and egg & spoon races with Tommy, so she clearly fancies him AND gets on better with him. The only reason she’s not with him is because he likes MM (and Maura).

I don’t like Joe but I do get where he’s coming from. If it was any of the other boys (like Lucie sitting on Michaels lap) he wouldn’t be bothered. But it’s the guy from their triangle. It’s different.

I saw Lucie’s behaviour as totally flirting. They had their own little thing going on, with the silly dates and games, throwing stuff at each other etc. That’s the sort of thing that would have made a fun group activity on previous series - let’s have a sports day, type of thing. But they just whispered about it in front of everyone and then went off together to eat chilli sauce

Silly dares*

" dont think accepting an apology means you cant possibly be a bully."

Agreed. Plus as we've seen, Amy will accept the apology but still harbour negative feelings about the situation rather than moving on. So has the apology really been accepted?

I suppose she gets something from Tommy that she doesn't get from Joe. Fun, maybe? We certainly don't see her and Joe having fun. And Tommy doesn't put restrictions on how she should or shouldn't behave. Initial romantic feelings can turn into friendship (and vice versa of course). Joe should be stepping up to be someone Lucie wants to spend time with, rather than trying to control who she does spend time with. I can't have sympathy for Joe because his behaviour is terrifying.

I agree with geriAtric I think Lucie does not catch social triggers so does not react as the girls or Joe thinks she should.
Interestingly girls with Aspergers tend to relate better to boys as they don’t have the jungle of complicated hierarchy that girls tend to have they’re just more simple (in a nice way!).
I can imagine she’s frustrating to live with because she doesn’t follow social rules but that gives Joe no right to control her.

GoldenGumballs you have something there.

I also think anton and Elma and joe and lucie will be in the bottom two and then either the public or the other islanders will vote to see which couple leave.

It will be anton an Elma . If he'd picked Anna he'd have had a better crack at staying.

I don't know what was going on with Amy's face when joe picked lucie, but she must be seeing something we aren't , because it would seem she genuinely thought joe wouldn't pick her. She clearly hates her.

Curtis looked really uncomfortable. Not with lucie and joe, but with what he knew was Amy's reaction.

Amy is coming across as really bitchy and immature. Lucie isn't coming across well either. Too much crying, looked gutted to be picked by joe again, and it's highly immature to not wish to get to know or spend time with the girls for no other reason than the fact they are female.

It's fine to spend time with the men, but staying away from half the villa is odd, as is claiming not to be a girly girl, when she's sitting there with massive breast implants,long bleach blonde hair extensions, and fronts up in tight pink clothing or as naked as she can. Other than the make up, she's as girly as the rest of them.

I don't think Lucie did fancy Tommy. It was edited to be 50/50 when really it was more like 70-30 in Joe's favour. She refused to share a bed with Tommy, remember.

Also, even if she did fancy him at the start, SHE'S PICKED JOE and not Tommy. If Joe's too insecure to accept that, it's his problem.

I agree with GeriAtric - Lucie is hanging out with who she wants, and when Amy says an issue is over, Lucie believes it's over. So of course she's upset when she's told she can't do what she normally does and it's "wrong", and that Amy is still bitching about her for some reason. She's not reached the level of confidence/maturity yet to say "you know what, I'm an adult who can do what she wants, so fuck off Joe, and you're being immature if you're still holding a grudge Amy". But she's not at that stage yet so can only cry in frustration instead of articulate exactly what's wrong with the situation.

I feel so, so bad for her. She needs to walk, 50k isn't worth this shit.