The Nights Watch: GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8 EPISODE 4. May 6th UK. SPOILERS AFTER 2 am.

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Hail survivors of The Battle of Winterfell.

The 'mysterious' episode 4 premieres tonight.

Who will be with us at 2am?

I am desperate to find out if Arya's kill is openly discussed and acknowledged, or does Bran take the credit, or does it remain a mystery.

Given Emilia Clarke has said Episode 5 is the one for which we will need 'bigger television screens' what will lead up to it?

I love Dany and Sansa. I don’t know how I want it to work out for either of them but I don’t want them paired off with any of the men available!

I can’t imagine how they’re going to tie up all the loose ends in two episodes but I have faith that they will. I’m really excited about how it will all end.

I really like Jaime riding back to King’s Landing. His arc isn’t complete - he couldn’t have waited it out, avoiding a showdown with Cersei up in Winterfell. I don’t know why people are disappointed with Brienne’s tears - she loves Jaime and has loved him for a long time now. Brienne has never been cold or emotionless; just because she is a great fighter doesn’t mean that she isn’t warm and loving. Their parting caused both of them pain. It hasn’t reduced or belittled Brienne - I think it’s totally in character for her.

I didn’t understand why Dany didn’t obliterate the Iron Fleet and I don’t know why they brought the dragon in range of Cersei’s scorpions for the parlay. I was also surprised Cersei didn’t break the truce and fly in the face of tradition to take them out, but maybe it’s a political move as she wants Westeros to see a Targarean fly in on a dragon and terrorise everyone before Cersei’s armies take her down and save the people.

Sorry, I didn't mean Sansa was responsible for Jeyne being sold off. I used a longer description for non book readers.

The fact remains that I spent more time worrying about Sansa's friend even on my first read than she did. And I hope she has learnt to be a better friend.

I'm starting to wonder if Dany will try to kill Jon. The secret is now information so he'll soon be a threat to her right to the throne. (And let's not forget he broke a promise to Dany telling Arya and Sansa; mind you do we know if Sense actually swore not to tell? She said how can I swear if I don't know the secret (so something similar).

Jon deserves to die, or even just have a bit of a roasting after the way he treated Ghost. Wasn't happy with that behaviour!!

I like Sansa. A thoroughly irksome character at the start, all simpering and pathetic. Now she's grown one hell of a hard shell and is smart, intuitive and quick thinking. Quite ruthless, yet thoughtful in the right places (Dany's refusal to take her advice in allowing the armies and dragons has, and will, bite her in the bum.)

Remind me, did Sansa tell Tyrion before or after Dany ignored her and Jon went all serf and backed Dany?

Full circle innit?

A mad targaryan, Jamie slaying another iron throne incumbent queenslayer, another stark harbouring a huge dynastic secret, another baratheon unable to get a stark girl to love him....

Saying that felt irked on Dany's part with all the Marvelling and Worship of Jon about his riding a dragon like she'd been knitting sovks sipping a G&T the last while.

Jon couldn't have mentioned actually my girlfriend Aunty Dany might have just done a teeny bit more than me. (Maybe he was going to say something to her, but looked out saw the Starbucks cup and swiftly looked away trying to pretend it wasn't there)

Fair point Iambuffy!

Jon - Another targaryan renouncing his name and going north?

Dany - descending into madness?

Jamie - queenslayer?

Euron - an ironborn defeated and disgraced.

Will it be that obvious??

I'd love to see gendry and sansa get together...a baratheon and stark wedding of his and neds children - Just as Robert wanted in the 1st episode!

Think varys will die next week.

Sorry there were paragraphs in that when I wrote it!

Iambuffy

I really hope not but it's starting to look that way.

One of my favourite things about this show is the redemption arc of some of the characters...

All the characters I couldn't stand in the earliest series have fast become my favourites...

Theon
Sansa
Jaime
The hound

In similar vein I'm now not so keen on Tyrion (sorry!), bran, dany, bronn...

Hmmmm.
Shame.

mind you do we know if Sense actually swore not to tell? She said how can I swear if I don't know the secret (so something similar).

@redforshort, Sansa following her saying that did eventually in a very begrudging tone say she promised to not tell what he was going to tell them when he asked her again to promise not to.

The whole NK thing should have been the finale...just feels like whatever they do now will be a bit "meh"....

I too don’t have a problem with Brianne showing she was upset that Jaime walked out on her. She loved him. It is not weak to love someone.

She loved him. It is not weak to love someone. Thinking about it wasn't it also the case that as a child and with Reply, Brienne was teased with the implication that she was unlovable and that hurt her. So to think someone loves you and then have them leave you ostensibly to go back to their ever so slightly psycho sister/lover... I don't blame her for crying!

I think she was crying as much for him as for her.

Exactly, Jasper. I’m finding the characters really believable in their behaviour. I don’t feel like anyone has veered out of their arc and I love how much some of them have developed - like a pp, I found Sansa frustrating in early seasons and now I love her, I was rooting for Dany from the start and now I’m not so sure, hated Jaime and now feel the opposite - I think it’s really clever and a testament to brilliant writing and acting. The twists and turns have been amazing all the way through and I think the ending will be brilliant but totally unforeseeable (for me as I never predict anything right!) I think we are supposed to be bewildered by the amount of loose ends right now and thinking it will have to be a rush but that it’s all planned out and will be satisfying. And I really, really hope I manage to avoid any spoilers!

This is Brienne talking about Renly Baratheon's death. "Nothing is more hateful than failing to protect the one you love". (She knows he is gay, but loves him for his kindness towards her at a time in her life when nobody else was kind.)

I can't find a clip, but there is a Brienne and Catelyn scene after Renly's death where she is absolutely distraught.

Brienne loves Jamie romantically, but her role has also always been to protect the people she loves. He is going to a place where she can't protect him, because as much as anything he no longer seems to believe that he is worthy of protection.

It's almost like a death.

Yes, Jasper, exactly.

Or, it might even be weak. But that's what makes complex fictional characters. They're not stereotypes and have strengths and flaws as individuals.

In this sense, I actually happen to find Brienne a great character: on the one hand, she's seriously OP, to use internet terminology. She's a great fighter, she's determined and loyal and brave. And she's achieved more in her "career" than arguably any woman in Westeros before her.

But she's also deeply wounded and, to a degree, traumatised. Because her success as a knight (even before she's made one formally) by far outshines her success as a person. In fact, she fails miserably at being successful at living up to what would have been expected of her as a high-born lady. She's not pretty or girly or desirable or flirtatious. That doesn't make her bot desire and love men - she does. She even earns their respect and admiration. But not their love and affection they way she longs to.

I think it makes her a bloody brilliant character with depth and development.

Jamie finding her desirable arguably meant the world to her. So, fuck yes, she can bawl her eyes out when he leaves. I would.

Renly death scene.

merry I think your interpretation has just saved Briennes character for me a little! I’m going with your way of thinking!

I too don’t have a problem with Brianne showing she was upset that Jaime walked out on her. She loved him. It is not weak to love someone

I just didn’t see that romantic build up, just mutual respect. Then the weird scene of them snogging each other’s face off then him looking looking like he regretted it whilst she was is in a post shag sleep.

However I’m taking merrys word for it

It was made clear Brienne was in love with Jaime when Cersei asked her if she was when he got back after losing his hand. She just froze IIRC.

The thing is, there was simply no need for Rhaegar to annul his marriage to Elia. I've just finished Fire & Blood and several Targaryen kings had multiple wives. Aegon the Conqueror was married to both his sisters! It would have been perfectly acceptable for him to take Lyanna as his 2nd wife.

I think if the books go down the road of making John legitimate it will be in that way both marriages being legitimate as opposed to an annulment.

But that is something we may never know unless they are ever finished.

That scene with Bronn was the single worst scene I have witnessed on GoT

It was SHOEHORNED, nay, CROWBARREDinto the episode. it was so poor even the actors looked distraught at having to act it!