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The Nights Watch: GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8 EPISODE 4. May 6th UK. SPOILERS AFTER 2 am.

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OneInAMillionYou · 05/05/2019 14:33

Hail survivors of The Battle of Winterfell.

The 'mysterious' episode 4 premieres tonight.

Who will be with us at 2am?

I am desperate to find out if Arya's kill is openly discussed and acknowledged, or does Bran take the credit, or does it remain a mystery.

Given Emilia Clarke has said Episode 5 is the one for which we will need 'bigger television screens' what will lead up to it?

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JasperRising · 07/05/2019 09:58

I don't think the writers did Sansa any favours when they cut away on Brans reveal to her Arya and her reveal to Tyrion. There is so much that she had to process, changed family relationships, implications for how her parents/aunt behaved, political implications. And yet we saw none of that processing but we are expected to get behind her actions on the basis of that processing.

ElspethFlashman · 07/05/2019 10:00

In fairness, she did look very upset and Tyrion noticed. And she did let him walk away before she made up her mind.

I felt like we saw enough internal conflict, despite how rushed it all was.

merrymouse · 07/05/2019 10:08

She's had a conversation with Danny where she asked "what about the North" and Danny didn't even dignify it with an answer.

She also relies too heavily on her hereditary right to the throne. She claims to be the breaker of chains, but I don't think that features much in her conversations with Sansa? Why would the daughter of Ned Stark suddenly start respecting the Targaryen claim to the throne? Her father was a leader of Robert's rebellion.

I think the question is not why Sansa wouldn't trust Daenerys, but why on earth would she? She lost her belief in fairytale princes and princesses long ago. The North have always had an uneasy relationship with 'bending the knee' to the iron throne and Daenerys' father burnt Sansa's grandfather alive and strangled her uncle.

Of course she is wary of Daenerys and of course she asks "why her?".

PreseaCombatir · 07/05/2019 10:10

Exactly.
We saw Daenerys in the beginning as a sweet, young girl. We’ve seen her story, we know her motives.

Sansa only sees another megalomaniac Targaryen.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 07/05/2019 10:12

Wonder if she'll get Jon beheaded too?

Well it would mean she definitely got to rule the North so it's always a possibility Grin

Afterlaughter I've never liked her. She was a bratty "princess" and I can't stand her now. I really wish they'd kill her off.

NunoGoncalves · 07/05/2019 10:42

"Baffled" by the Sansa hate? Really? The hero of the show – and her brother – just made her swear not to tell a soul about his huge secret, and about 2 minutes later she's telling someone! That's not exactly going to endear people to her, regardless of her motivations!

NunoGoncalves · 07/05/2019 10:44

Why didn't Dany swoop round and torch them from behind after Rhaegar was killed?

Yep. And after Missandei is killed. Just fly up high enough to be out of reach of the arrows and dive bomb down and blast them all. Those scorpions don't look particularly quickly manoeuvrable!

IhateBoswell · 07/05/2019 10:51

Why didn't Dany swoop round and torch them from behind after Rhaegar was killed?

God knows. Almost as stupid as Bronn walking armed into Winterfell and threatening Jaime and Tyrion. I've got a horrible feeling the show is going to end up like Lost without a satisfactory ending, or unrealistic (I know how silly that sounds given what the show is).

AliceRR · 07/05/2019 11:05

I never really liked Sansa until more recently and now I’m not sure again. I always liked Dany. At the moment I think I back Sansa over Dany and completely get why Sansa doesn’t trust her.

I’m glad Sansa told Tyrion who John really is as I didn’t agree with Dany’s request that it be kept secret.

Brienne crying over Jamie was a bit weird to me BUT I think that was necessary to aid our interpretation of what Jamie’s intentions were. What he said was ambiguous and I didn’t know at the time how to take it but Brienne’s reaction made me interpret it as if he was going back to be with Cersei, which I think it was intended, but actually I don’t think he wants Cersei, I think he just wants to stop her.

AfterLaughter · 07/05/2019 11:16

Yes let’s start turning the characters who people like into snidey personal attacks Hmm

Glad I’m not the only one who thinks she’s a brat and needs killing off ASAP.

Agree Nuno. It doesn’t show loyalty at all. Telling a Lannister? Baffling.

MissMary0fSweden · 07/05/2019 11:20

Definitely Team Sansa here.

MissMary0fSweden · 07/05/2019 11:21

Posted too soon-

Hated- the Bronn scene. Just wtf? Talk about a bad mood

Loved- Sansa and the Hound.

PreseaCombatir · 07/05/2019 11:22

Agree Nuno. It doesn’t show loyalty at all. Telling a Lannister? Baffling
In terms of the Starks, the Lannister’s AND Targaryen’s have a bad history.

However, he’s a Lannister she knows and trusts.
She’s a Targaryen who’s a bit unstable.

Know who I’d pick!

I’ve done a couple 180 with Dany and Sansa.
In fact, I didn’t realise how much I was rooting for Sansa until Dany was making her not soveiled threats towards her.

I loved Dany at the beginning, but she’s gotta go.

ElenadeClermont · 07/05/2019 11:22

I do not like Dany or Sansa. Brienne forever!

agirlhasnonameX · 07/05/2019 11:24

Why didn't Dany swoop round and torch them from behind after Rhaegar was killed?
If one of my children had just been killed, I wouldn't steer the other one right towards the killer, I'd want to get him far away from there. Same at KL, those scorpions took out Rhegal pretty easily, if Dani had attacked right then Drogon and Dani would probably be dead too, along with her hand, Varys and grey worm
I was more confused at why Cersei didn't just kill Dani and Drogon at KL. Tywin would have done it.

R.e Sansa, if I was her I'd have done exactly the same. She doesn't want Dani as her queen and betraying her brother in her eyes is for the best, she knows Jon loves Dani and thinks it's clouding his vision. She's never had much love for Jon and revealing his parentage means she is the rightful warden in the North instead of him. I'm glad she's finally doing something to try and take charge of her own life. Chaos is a ladder.

ElenadeClermont · 07/05/2019 11:24

I do not think Sansa told Tyrion because she trust him. It is to maximise damage. Quite clever, actually.

PreseaCombatir · 07/05/2019 11:27

Hmm, I thought after their shared moment in the crypt and they had bonded ,it was because she does trust him, but you may have a point.

merrymouse · 07/05/2019 11:52

Yes, I think it has been established that Sansa trusts Tyrion.

I don't think it's relevant that Tyrion is a Lannister. It has been established over several seasons that he is loyal to Dany. He is beginning to doubt her because of her behaviour, not because he cares about her claim to the throne, which is just a PR game. He believes in the breaker of chains, not the daughter of the Mad King.

(Also, of course John tells Sansa and she tells Tyrion - what are they going to do for the next two episodes if it's all a secret?!)

NunoGoncalves · 07/05/2019 12:03

Know who I’d pick!

I'd pick being loyal to my brother who made me swear not to tell anyone.

Also, of course John tells Sansa and she tells Tyrion - what are they going to do for the next two episodes if it's all a secret?!

Well yes, of course, but that doesn't mean we're not allowed to say "what a dick" about a character who swears to keep a secret for a loved family member and two minutes later blabs to her mate.

ElenadeClermont · 07/05/2019 12:05

I hope Sansa and Tyrion will not betray each other. Their closeness could be key to the post-GoT truce.
Although Sansa is not the most loyal friend in general. Hopefully it is another aspect where she changed.

I cannot stand the sudden familial bond between Cersei and Tyrion in the show. So silly. The Lannisters will all soon have Sunday lunches together. Tyrion will be Cersei's new baby's godfather.

The demeaning comments from Tyrion relating to Brienne are pure book Tyrion.

LaurieMarlow · 07/05/2019 12:09

It’s outrageous of Dany to expect it to be kept secret in the first place.

I think the Dany/Sansa relationship could have done with more time to evolve. And more exposition (Sansa talking things through with Arya and others a bit more).

I get Sansa’s position totally, but because it’s all happened so fast, I see why it comes across as ‘she’s hated her since she clapped eyes on her’.

merrymouse · 07/05/2019 12:14

I'd pick being loyal to my brother who made me swear not to tell anyone.

I don't think Sansa trusts Jon's political judgement - she thinks he is putting his relationship with Dany over the people of the North.

PreseaCombatir · 07/05/2019 12:14

I'd pick being loyal to my brother who made me swear not to tell anyone

Even if you thought he was wrong and only thinking with his dick? She doesn’t trust her, she’s trying to do what’s best for the North.
You can tell she cares about her people.
She worried about how they’re going to eat, how they’ll manage to match south when they’re so battle weary.
I think she’s a fantastic leader.
I agree though, I think it’s been far too rushed.
Previously we would have seen this transpire slowly over a whole 12 episode season, not a few scenes.

PreseaCombatir · 07/05/2019 12:15

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merrymouse · 07/05/2019 12:16

Although Sansa is not the most loyal friend in general

Life has taught her to think like a politician. Her loyalty is to the North.

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