The Nights Watch: GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8 EPISODE 4. May 6th UK. SPOILERS AFTER 2 am.

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Hail survivors of The Battle of Winterfell.

The 'mysterious' episode 4 premieres tonight.

Who will be with us at 2am?

I am desperate to find out if Arya's kill is openly discussed and acknowledged, or does Bran take the credit, or does it remain a mystery.

Given Emilia Clarke has said Episode 5 is the one for which we will need 'bigger television screens' what will lead up to it?

Agree with Presea about Sansa. Jon does what he thinks is right, regardless of the consequences. Sansa can't always do what is 'right' because she is a realist who wants to protect her people from the consequences.

The only question now is whether she stays in the North and lets King's Landing destroy itself or heads south to take charge. Not much going on at Winterfell, so I think she will head south for the sake of the plot.

What show have you been watching if you think Sansa has no reason to be suspicious of Dany? She was brought up with the Targaeryans as the big mad baddies who killed her grandfather, uncle and aunt. And she’s a good judge of character- she can see Dany isn’t that balanced. It’s entirely in keeping with her character that she’s going to be at the centre of the conspiracy to replace Dany with Jon, after spending her formative years watching Ned die because he didn’t understand the game, and then learning from Littlefinger and Olenna.

Having rewatched, I’m 99% sure Jaime isn’t going back to Cersei because he doesn’t love brienne - he looked like he was about to cry the entire time and all his references to Cersei were in the past tense. I think he’s either going to try and save her or kill her, is going to be gravely injured in the attempt and then will get his wish to ‘die in the arms of the woman I love’ (brienne)
I also have a theory about the prophecy that ‘another will come, younger and more beautiful, to destroy all you hold dear’ refers to someone not ‘conventionally’ beautiful (I.e. Arya or brienne) but who are of good character - so more likely brienne. She’s also been ‘brienne the beauty’ for years so it would be a nice cryptic twist.
What I WANT to happen, in my happy little fanservice world, is for Jaime and brienne to go off to Tarth and live happily ever after but I think that may be a tad unlikely at this point

And she’s a good judge of character- she can see Dany isn’t that balanced.

This. Sansa has spent enough time around Cersei to know what an unstable queen looks like.

Arya has to kill Cersei, not Jaime. She's on her list.

See much as I’d like this, Arya taking out both the Night King AND Cersei feels like too much.

I wonder if Arya is killed while trying to take down Cersei? And The Hound finishes the job for her.

He has as much reason as anyone for wanting Cersei dead and it would be a better resolution for him than all the Cleganebowl nonsense.

Plus, the valonquar prophesy specifies ‘little brother’ (though I believe the word is gender neutral). I don’t think it’s explicit that it has to be Cersei’s little brother. The Hound is the most famous little brother in the series.

Jamie killing Dany would be very dramatically satisfying. I hope this pans out.

Cersei’s baby, presuming of course it exists, is Jaime’s, right?

I have to say that I like Sansa, danaerys and Cersei. They are very different but they are all, essentially, women who have had to become ruthless (in different ways) to survive in a world where all three of them have, at one time or another, been sold as sexual chattel/bargaining chips by men. They are wonderful, strong, flawed female characters and I love them even when I want to reach through the screen and punch them

Sansa has spent enough time around Cersei to know what an unstable queen looks like.

She also has an enough knowledge of the the political world of Westeros to know that Dany's 'destiny' schtick is BS.

Plus, the valonquar prophesy specifies ‘little brother’ (though I believe the word is gender neutral). I don’t think it’s explicit that it has to be Cersei’s little brother. The Hound is the most famous little brother in the series.

Ooh I like this theory!

I think people forget that while Dany is the first generation Targaryen we as viewers are seeing, that these characters and their families have lived with them and the consequences of ‘fire and blood’ for a long time.

Do we ever hear what Rhaegar thought of what his father was doing? He died fighting the war, so on paper he was obviously team Aerys, but he secretly married Lyanna.
After his dad had burned her uncle and grandfather alive, the fact she married him shoes he must have been different

Re-watching the scene between Sansa and Tyrion it is pretty obvious that Sansa is shit-scared of the consequences of Jon’s parentage. She has seen that Dany is extremely single-minded in her quest for the throne and sees Jon’s popularity as a threat. She is worried for Jon.

Dany told Jon not to tell Sansa because she would use it against her (probably quite justifiably). Bran told Jon ‘it’s your choice’. Jon told his sisters knowing full well what the consequences would be.

Sansa is doing what’s best to protect her safety and that of her family and her people. This is her strategy. My guess is that it will eventually pay off.

The valanqar part of the prophecy is book only. They cut it from the show.
I don’t know whether that means the show is going to go in a different direction and have someone completely different kill her, or whether they planned to a one point, but I’m sure her show death and book death will play out differently.

I didn't mind the episode. Two things I disliked.

Jaime being a fuckboy. I know there is more to it than that, and I suspect he 'dumps' Brienne to stop her going after him. But I just didn't need them to get together. I think they should have left the characters relationship. As much as I secretly ship them, it's one of those situations where when it came to it it just didn't work for me.

How the fuck did Dany (or anyone) not seen Eurons fleet approaching?

Less said about teleporting the better.

I made the mistake of heading over the Reddit page afterwards to discuss and finding the leak that has so far predicted correctly the arc of the season.

I also don’t think it was confirmed that valanqar is gender neutral.
I think it’s just the noun for prince/princess, and people have extrapolated that to mean the entire language.
Missandei has to tell Dany that ‘actually that noun in high valyrian’ so I’m sure it’s just a ancient quirk with that word.
Dany is a speaker of Valyrian, it’s her mother tongue, so I’m sure she’d know if the whole language was gender neutral.

Good episode. I'm undecided how this is gong to go.

Cersei is a cow. I half thought that she would end Missandei herself.

I agree with pp that Sansa and Brienne will go south and join the fight.

No idea what the scene With Bronn was about. Must have some relevance!?

The valanqar part of the prophecy is book only. They cut it from the show.

Well I know. But I can see Cersei’s ultimate killer being the type of thing Martin shared with D&D. Of course no guarantees they follow it.

Presea Rhaegar was conspiring with the lords of the Seven Kingdoms to overthrow Aerys.
At the Harrenhal tourney:
King Aerys II Targaryen attended the tournament only because Lord Varys warned him that Rhaegar, his son and the crown prince, arranged the tournament as a pretext to meet with several high lords to discuss removing his father as king in an informal Great Council.
Unfortunately Rhaegar got side tracked shagging Lyanna and died before he could carry out the necessary changes.

How the fuck did Dany (or anyone) not seen Eurons fleet approaching?

Why didn't Dany swoop round and torch them from behind after Rhaegar was killed?

Elenade Ah yes that does ring a bell. I just was thinking he had to be doing something to deal with his dad.

Laurie I imagine so, but we don’t know how important it is (at least I don’t, I haven’t read any leaks).
I don’t know whether to get to the end, it’s actually important who kills her, or whether it’s just important that someone kills her, in order for the end to happen.
I just think it’s interesting that that’s the bit they’ve cut. (Although to be fair, they’ve now given her two additional children, so who knows if that prophecy even means anything anyway!)

I know we won’t get it, but I’d love some clarity on what the fuck Rhaegar was doing marrying Lyanna. How did he square that with Elia and the Martells?

I know the books hint at fulfilling prophesy but I’d love some details around why he’d take such an enormous risk.

Looking at it coldly, it was a dick move on a number of fronts, guaranteed to piss off at least 3 liege houses.

I know! You’d think of you were trying to secretly overthrow your father you might want to keep your mates!

i don’t know whether to get to the end, it’s actually important who kills her, or whether it’s just important that someone kills her, in order for the end to happen.

Well I imagine it’s important who kills her, because from a narrative point of view, many characters have ‘reason’ to so it will be more satisfying if one of them get to do it.

For example, if Davos or Pod or someone takes her out, that wouldn’t have the power of say Arya, The Hound, Jaime, Tyrion, even Sansa. However there are a lot of potential murderers there, so it’s wide open.

Of course, we’re all assuming that she’ll die. No guarantees

Do we all think that Jaime and Cersei will die together? It was made a point of more than once in various episodes over the years ("we came into this world together, and we'll leave it together") or something along those lines.

I wish Jaime and Brienne would end up together, but it's far more likely he'll die with big sis.

I suspect Dany allowed the dragon to be killed. She doesn’t want Jon having a dragon.

Dany is nothing without her dragon, Cersei is nothing without her money.

Arya and Brienne are the only ones that can do shit for themselves.

I don’t like Sansa at all. I think there’s a reason they didn’t show her and Aryas reactions. I don’t find anything redeeming in Sansa.

And don’t get me started on them reducing the amazing Brienne to crying outside over Jamie the Fuck Boi.

I kinda wanted Dany and Jon to battle each other on their dragons to be honest, with Jon winning, giving the Throne to Tyrion and him ruling The North OR Jon on Throne and Tyrion as his Hand as he knows politics and Jon’s a little gung ho on doing what’s right regardless.