Line of Duty definately part 3.

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Here is a new thread for when the old one is full.

But this woman, Inspector Cameron, Corbett's covert ops manager, also confirmed the existence of H.

Remind me of that again, if you don't mind? I can't keep track of it all!

Ah actually this is a good site
lineofduty.fandom.com/wiki/Denise_Cameron

Weren’t there renowned H-blocks in the prisons where they kept IRA suspects?

That just confirms there's a person the ocg refer to as H... I keep thinking it's weird that they refer to H with the same nickname that ac12 use when their paths wouldn't necessarily have crossed...

Could ‘H’ refer to an organisation and vendetta that originated from paramilitary prisoners?

Just changed my name to a LOD fitting one!

I'm of the opinion that H is a place rather than just one person (maybe headquarters?)

My reasoning is that when they OCG went to visit Terry in his flat, that the camera lingered on his door being flat "B".

I think this was a clue that "H" is a place not a person.

Just rewatched the episode as I always find it hard watching live without subtitles.

I now understand the following - Hastings went to the OCG not on the premise of being H - he actually asked Lisa who H was. He then volunteered working with other 'bent coppers' because he was investigating them as part of AC12. I totally missed that first time round. So he wanted to try and appear to have a super group of bent coppers the OCG could rely on.

I still think Lisa is UCO and it's going to be a matter of trying to persuade her to set Ted free by confirming his involvement, except she's so undercover that she can't trust AC12/AC3 till orders come from higher above. I suspect Lisa is MI5 or something similar so bypasses the DCC chain of command. I wonder whether she even knows it's Hastings she's working for.

It’s a bit of a stretch of the imagination that Ryan be the new caddy and wouldn’t be identified (or I could be I’m just too irritated/horrified by his character) I’m hoping his dna will turn up somewhere : ? Maneet ? John

He was definitely pretending to be H, not asking who H was. If they had thought he was doing as you've suggested, I doubt he'd still be alive. Lisa said she hadn't expected him to turn up alone, which you wouldn't expect with the Mr Big of the organisation. He fully expected to meet Clayton/Corbett and to offer him a way out I suspect.

It did cross my mind that Ted being in custody could be a move designed to protect him.

Another import thing I need clearing up: why is the beep so long!!?

I can answer that one, RedForShort. In my former career, I used DIR tapes for staff investigations (not the police but the interviews were always conducted to PACE standards - but I can't say more than that, sorry!)

There are always two DIR tapes, both sealed in their original wrappers. For the purposes of a clean chain of custody, both tapes are unsealed in the presence of the subject of the interview and both new tapes are placed in the recording unit. Because they are similar but not identical to cassette tapes (see next para), there is always a long piece of blank (non-recordable) tape at the beginning and at the end because it is wound around the spools. The long beep indicates that it is the blank piece of tape that is being spooled, which is why no one speaks during the beep. Once the beep stops, it indicates that the DIR tapes are recording.

On conclusion of the interview, one DIR tape is always sealed in an evidence bag then and there in the presence of the subject and the evidence bag signed. It is retained in a safe place unless it is needed to counter allegations of tape-tampering. The other tape is the "working tape" because it is used to produce a typed transcript of the interview. The reason why DIR tapes are not identical to ordinary cassette tapes is because they already carry a pre-recorded time stamp (a voice saying "one minutes and ten seconds, one minute and twenty seconds, one minute and thirty seconds" and so on) so that an exact quote can be pinpointed on the DIR tape. The pre-recorded time stamp can only be heard on a special DIR transcription player.

Phew! Bit technical but HTH!

More musings...

Lisa taking Ted to the warehouse where the loot was being stored meant that the Police got the loot back when they raided.

When she told Miroslav to leave him in the car for a bit in case he was being followed...was she just buying time because she knew the police would be on their way eventually as in it was all pre-planned?

Thanks @TedsFederationRep - I was wondering that too!

I think @AngelinaNeurosurgeon's theory is a good one - very plausible and keeps Ted on the side of the good but explains the NI link.

Yes they do keep him away from the bother don't they. Thank you!

I could have cried for Ted at the end.

They don’t keep Ryan that far away. He was with the Banks guy that got arrested when they kidnapped Maneet but just happened it to be caught on CCTV. He slit Maneet’s throat and also Corbett’s. How is that being kept away?

It would be ridiculous if Ryan made it in to the police force. Both Steve and Kate would know him instantly! I can see how Ryan replacing Dot as The Caddy is an interesting idea but in practice it’s entirely implausible.

If Ryan joins the police they have strayed into ridiculous territory. He's known to police possibly has a sizeable juvenile record which despite what many seem to think does show up in background checks.

However if they do go down that route with Ryan, does that possibly open up the idea that Tommy Hunter is still alive and is H? He was the one that originally groomed Dot, he was head if that OCG cell when Ryan was younger. And he is a known character that has featured in one way or another all the way through. And would certainly provide the shock factor if he was discovered to still be alive? Only thing is that he’s a criminal and therefore not a BENT COPPER!

That would be a really disappointing conclusion though.

BillGigelloe I just went in to tell my DH your musings and he got annoyed because he'd just been about to tell me himself, having realised the same! Bit suss, innit, especially to go there if there was any chance of being followed which she supposedly thought there might be.

I could have cried for Ted at the end.

Ted's whole expression was one of a man who has just realised he has been betrayed by those he trusted most. Time for Steve and Kate to get their investigative skates on and repay some of the loyalty he's always shown them!

As an aside, anyone else noticed how Sam Railston always seems to pop up at every OCG-related crime scene? First-on-scene always has the best opportunity to tamper with evidence. After all, hers can't be the only major crimes unit in Central Police....

@JamesBoredom I like your theory about the Maze prison.

@AngelinaNeurosurgeon What is ED?

How did the police know where Hastings was anyway?
And where did that photo of Ryan at a passing out parade come from please?

Unfortunately I am thinking it’s Ted who is H after all, and whole thing is a double bluff. Kate and Steve will prove he isn’t , so he will be in the clear, but really he has been H all along, and the Jackie Lave’s ex husband is the property guy who scammed Ted, and that is why she was murdered, and Tony Gates was just a convenient scapegoat and when of controlling him.
The series will end with Ryan joining the police force as his previous convictions etc will be hidden or spent due to his age.

Hunter - like Dot, Lindsay Denton, Hargreaves, Maneet, Hilton, etc - is dead and buried. With a fake ID it's entirely plausible Ryan could join the police; especially with bent coppers interfering with records, etc. He would just be an OCG plant.

Ooh - interesting that there could be a link between Laverty and Ted. I hadn't thought of that.

The armed officers and Steve were staking out the nightclub, which Ted told Kate to arrange after she challenged him on his unauthorised undercover operation after he set up the meeting there, and saw Ted walk in there. It was shown in last night's episode.