The great British School swap..

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Any one watching this?? Finding it really interesting so far.

Lucas put himself in that position - completely unnecessary to tell class full of strangers LGBT status. Why not Lucas who likes Star Wars and swimming.

Yes Commonwealth countries are 3/4 Muslim and have many races - why this not taught about the Queen.

I think teens do discuss their sexuality more. Myvdc seem to know the ins and outs of all many kids they hardly know in their school. Also those hound round the room things are horrendous and you’re put on the spot. I’ve grasped at any old thing on occasions. She might of wanted to head of questions too and is very young.

Re food one of my dc are really picky eaters and wouldn’t have tried the sweets. He’s really cautious and woukd have turned it down. Finds strange foods quite stressful.bit of a sensory thing The other two will try anything. It wasn’t necessary for the girls to keep pushing it and attempting to bully her into it. They made it far worse.

Lucas chose to disclose LGBT status - so then should expect questions - if not disclosed could have made friends over time and talked about LGBT later.

It was the way they were asking and the smirking, saying “be a man”, the bossing about, the interrogating. Rude and with bullying undertones.

She may also have been vegan or veggie re the sweets or just not into sweet things. There is no law saying you have to try everything somebody offers you. There could have been any kind of reason.

That and saying she didn’t like gay people.

Children are being taught too much language and information about LGBT - so few children are LGBT to expose whole school to this agenda - tolerance is for all and can be taught in assemblies. Why on earth are children talking or even thinking about bisexuality.

Every day homophobia rife as always

I'm back. Finishing my comment from earlier.
As I said the ignorance of basic facts of Islam and the fact it seemed to be Islam (a faith) vs White (a skin colour) was very sad in the way that it shocks me that young people are (still) thinking this way. There was a lot of "white people do this" but some of the Tamworth children could be practising Christians and therefore have quite a lot in common with those who were practising Muslims which would be different life issues/beliefs/opinions to a 'white' person who does not follow a faith or one of the may others faiths. 'White People' were lumped as one. But also the Tamworth children were using Muslim/Asian/Pakistani/Indian all interchangeable showing (it seems) that they think it all means the same thing when obviously it doesn't.
More later.... arriving at my train station!

Lucas doesnt have to pretend to be someone he/she is not.

Children should be wondering about kissing and holding hands at this age - not if they should be having sexual feelings for a boy or girl or boy and girl.

Rubbish they’re year 8/9 so 13/14 they’ll be thinking about a lot more than holding hands and shouldn’t be made to feel shameful for it.

Meeting someone new for the first time; you want to make a good impression; their (youngish) children are in the room...
"My ex-husband had a vasectomy..."

And several children will be gay, many might not realise until older. If one child is saved from homophobia it’s necessary.

Many children are taught about Islam in schools with zero Muslims, doesn’t mean it’s unnecessary.

The teacher wanted child's name and their interests/hobbies
The teacher asked the pupils to tell them "something about yourselves, just one fact" so, no mention of interest or hobbies.

As a young trans LGBT+ person this is probably the area of themselves they spend the most time thinking about and identify with, which is mostly likely why they chose that aspect. I would think this is more interesting / more of a fact than the girl that said "I like food and sleeping".

become friends through shared interests/hobbies as a person not an LGBT community member what like food and sleeping? LGBT+ issues can also be a shared interest if you're not part of that community. Even at a young age, teenagers are (generally) aware of these issues and openly discuss things like gay rights, trans issues etc.

Lets not forget these are still children and the way people have been talking about them is awful especially on social media. They are still learning, developing, growing, they are still forming boundaries, learning social cues etc. They will probably be unlikely to grow up and mention "I'm trans and LGBT+" as a first introduction, just as much as the girl who said she liked food and sleeping won't be saying that when she's 20 and meeting people for the first time.

A lot of comments on Twitter (and here ) appear to expect the students to have the frame of reference of adults. These are teenagers. By their nature they're preoccupied by identity, that's the whole point of adolescence! "What do I think about sex? What's my sexuality? Where do I belong? If I'm growing up and no longer contained by family, where does that leave me? Is what I have been taught to believe actually true?". That's why they sometimes get it wrong, they are taking risks and trying things out.

If you come out straight away you’re attention seeking or giving tmi

If you come out after making friends with people you are accused of deception or of not trusting your friends enough with the truth about yourself

If you don’t come out it’s hard to make friends or build a life at all because you are aware it’s all a lie

Just give it a little thought please Rwnf

Thank you

The ignorance about some of the basics about Islam were shocking
So was the ignorance about some of the basics about being British.

So true Aventa

The language thing was interesting about what is acceptable and what is not. The word 'coloured' does still seem to be used by my East Midlands based (Tamworth is West Midlands) relatives and friends (including teenage ones). To me it's very old fashioned but is never meant in a racist way. East Midlanders also seem to say 'Indians' when they are refering to Muslims. Where I live in London however I hear people call anyone who is black as 'African' - even though they are more likely to have a Caribbean background.
Sometimes it feels like attitudes are going backwards because people jump on something as being offensive when it isn't always meant that way. My East Midlands relatives definitely aren't saying 'coloured' as an insult. I personally wouldn't use the phrase though because like I said it feels dated.

The ignorance about some of the basics about Islam were shocking
The ignorance around British values was worse in my view. How many of those or lots of children have knowledge of any religion - catholicism, judaism? Why are we all expected and is it deemed so important to have such a knowledge and understanding of Islam?

As regards the use of language, did no-one hear the Muslim boy use words that are used to describe white people? The difference is that we don't understand what we are being called/is being said about us. Two wrongs don't make a right but somehow this seems to be a bit one way with white folk always being called out on words when often it is not done in malice. However calling someone a 'pig' is!

For me this program showed that religious schools should be banned and schools should be setup to encourage a mix of pupils. It also displayed how our country isn't really that multicultural, people have not come to the UK and integrated well.

If I move to another country, which I have done, I see it as my responsibility to integrate not just expecting things to be adjusted for me and my beliefs.

Definitely cupcake

There was an arrogance and superior attitude from some of the pupils on their home turf.

I watched with my 13-year-old daughter and we were really shocked by the ignorance displayed, it was difficult to watch at times. Dd has a much broader knowledge than the kids on the show despite us living in an area of Wales where black and minority ethnic groups account for 2.1% of the population.

If Lucas had answered I like sleeping and eating, the girl he/she was paired up with would be more likely to talk about shared interests and experiences - and then later on find I do like gay people after all.

When you make new friends you don't disclose everything about yourself, especially to a stranger - you tell more as trust grows.

All teenagers think about themselves and their self image - their sexual preferences and identities do not need to be shared with their new classmates - but generally talked about by the teacher.

In my ignorance i thight racism was a generation thing: i.e. that kids were more wordly today I'm not digging at you but for me this programme was quite refreshing. Yes it was edited but this is about kids being kids. Saying stupid things, having tantrums and falling out.