Line of Duty part 2.

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Do we need this or is there another one already started?

I only just caught up with the second episode of the new season and had been avoiding the last thread for a bit so as not to see spoilers and it is now full!

Ignore me if there is a new thread already on the go. If not feel free to use this one mate.

He was giving nothing away though.

Finished re watching series 4 last night and unsure of the motive as to why the 3 young women were murdered, and Hana was kidnapped. I know that Kate says at the end that the dna was important, re they were sex workers so blackmailing people, but those women were murdered and dumped for what reason? To shut them up, or to frame someone, but not Michael Farmer obviously, who was a poor soul, not some high powered guy.

I think CoolCarrie it was meant to be for blackmail purposes but I also think it is a bit of a plot hole!

I also forgot - it was Hargreaves who was in charge of the guard unit that ended up “locked out of the fire escape” when Cole murdered Georgia and “Tommy Hunter”

I wonder what Ryan's been up for years. We know he's in balaclava gang but at the end of season 1 he was given his card by a police officer and seemed open to staying in touch.

Ooh I hadn't clocked that SinkGirl

I only caught it on a rewatch - there are so many little things that it’s impossible to keep them all in your head!

I do think that there’s no way on earth that, having seen season 1 again, Ted could believe that Hilton is top dog. He’s a blundering idiot who seems petrified. I wonder what they had on him (I don’t think we ever found out did we?). He’s definitely one for organising extra-marital sleepovers, as we’ve seen.

I rewatched it too and still missed it 😂

Having binge re-watched the previous series now, I think there may be something dodgy about AC-9.
Dot was with AC-9 before he was seconded to AC-12 at the behest of DCC Dryden in series 2.
In series 3 when Kate wants to get permission to go undercover to investigate inside AC-12 she approaches Supt Summers of AC-3. When Summers asks why not AC-9 when it’s closer Kate says she’d rather not disclose. Summers asks if it’s because as a woman she can’t be a Mason, which implies that the head of AC-9 is a man (I can’t remember if a name has been mentioned) and also quite possibly a Mason. Kate repeats that she doesn’t want to give a reason. That may have been Kate’s thinking, or it may have been because Dot was previously with AC-9. It may be that she thinks something is up with them.
In series 4 Jamie transfers to AC-9 after Ted says he doesn’t want him on the team. He (Jamie) seemed perfectly straight until the transfer, then all of a sudden he’s tipping Hilton off about Ted and co on their way to him.
A lot of the bad eggs seem linked to AC-9...I wonder if their boss’s name starts with H?

I’m totally with you on AC-9 - isn’t Sam from AC-9 too?

I just feel like the big reveal is only going to work if it’s someone we know well, and that doesn’t leave many options.

I can’t stop thinking that Osborne is involved somehow. But he’s definitely not a H.

Maybe H is Hargreaves but he was never the boss, just the highest up Dot knew about?

I think AC9 is the Serious Crime Squad and Hargreaves' unit? Arnott getting friendly with Sam again is sure to be helpful to the 'big' reveal. Are we on episode 4 tomorrow evening?

Dot knew Hilton though, who was higher up then Hargreaves and also who promoted Dot (you saw Dot talking with Hilton at the end of Series One when Dot was talking about working as a caddy as a young lad and Hilton said he was due a promotion).

Who is Osbourne?

He was the counter terrorism guy from season 1 who tried to get Steve to lie at the inquest.

For some reason he’s the only high ranking person we’ve seen who seems capable of running an OCG. And he was in with Hilton.

Hilton did promote Dot, however... Dot told him the story about working as a caddy when he was younger and meeting someone who changed his perspective on law enforcement. Hilton had zero idea what he was talking about, and took it at face value. And then there were a couple of scenes between Ted and Hilton in S1 where it’s clear that Hilton is completely useless.

I don’t think AC-9 is the serious crime squad - that was Hargreaves and Rogerson (Steve’s first love interest). We saw Sam working with Jamie after he got transferred to AC-9, working on the Huntley case, right? In my head I thought she worked with Hargreaves but that was Rogerson.

AC-9 is clearly another anti-corruption unit, right?

I was a bit puzzled that Corbett donned a balaclava at all, when he'd been seen at the door, but perhaps you are right that he was in the shadows...crap security light if so.

Also, actors are particularly skilled at accents, but I can't say I know any common or garden Scousers who could hide all trace of their Liverpool roots.

On the topic of Hastings being Catholic, I don't think there's ever been a doubt that he's a lifelong one, has there? Otherwise it wouldn't make sense that his go-to exclamation is "Mother of God!"

Sink, I thought AC-9 were Serious Crime, yes. I don't think the police have more than one department for Anti-Corruption (or The Complaints, as they are known in the Ian Rankin novels set in Edinburgh).

I know Hilton was more senior in the force, I’m just wondering whether Hargreaves was more senior in the OCG - Hilton seemed quite pathetic, clueless, nervous and just generally a bit crap. Obviously Lakewell called him to get Steve beaten up, but I wonder if he was just another blackmail victim and he was being ordered to shut AC-12 down (as we saw him trying to do) as they were getting too close.

If both Hilton and Hastings were involved in the OCG, the conversations they had in private would make no sense - unless they both didn’t know the other was involved.

It’s highly likely I’m over-thinking this.

I’m telling you, if the final season does a Lost and just conveniently forgets many of the threads it has left hanging, I’m going to be majorly pissed off 😂

But AC stands for anti-corruption doesn’t it? If not I’ve been reading this completely wrong 😂

And Kate goes to AC-3 for permission to investigate AC-12?

Phew, I thought I was going crazy then!
lineofduty.fandom.com/wiki/AC-9

Also in charge of witness protection apparently... hmm.

Okay so Jane Akers was part of AC-9, as was Dot, and Jamie was transferred there. They are definitely the dodgy unit.

Sam works for Murder squad though, which is what I thought initially but I got confused when she was dealing with the Huntley case with Jamie.

SinkGirl: I wouldn’t be so sure that Hilton took that conversation with Dot at face value. I took it as Hilton rewarding Dot for a job well done because he had just finished talking with Tommy Hunter (in the back of the ambulance, obviously discussing immunity and witness protection). I think Hilton knew exactly who Dot was. I agree that Hilton was inept though and Jimmy Lakewell makes some scathing comments about Hilton shitting himself whenever a dead body comes out of the freezer in n Series 4 so I don’t think he’s well thought of.

Ooh, I’ve gone down a rabbit hole now...

So in season 2, Hargreaves was heading up the Major Violent Crime unit. Then Murder Squad, then in this season it was Serious and Organised Crime Squad (lineofduty.fandom.com/wiki/Serious_and_Organised_Crime)

That’s why I was getting so confused.

Still, totally separate to Ac-9 which is the anti corruption unit where Jane Akers, Dot and Jamie worked.

Dryden would be another high ranking officer who you could imagine being H more than Hilton. And he was involved with the bent Vice guy and the young girl Carly. Where is Dryden these days?!

I suppose he could have been aware of the relevance of the “caddy” reference but he just didn’t seem to be, to me anyway. I just think the promotion thing is a red herring - I wonder who promoted him earlier in his career. Obviously Gates put him into TO-20, then he went to AC-9, but I suspect he means a promotion before that. I just got the impression that Hilton was clueless and a pawn from the way he acts in S1 and S4, and coupled with Lakewell’s comments and his suicide (after which everything continues fine without him), I am pretty sure Hilton is not H

Yes, Dryden is far more capable and dodgy IMO.

There was that scene where they had the video of Tommy Hunter being interviewed by Akers and he references the caddy and “that two faced bastard” (IIRC) which they link to Dryden making a press conference around that time about people who get immunity after lawful crimes... but maybe that’s a red herring and he meant some other two faced bastard?

Oh Jed, I should be sleeping, not trying to work this out. Damn you to hell, fella.

Ohhhhh, now I'm confused!