Fleabag is coming back! series 2

[HoraceCope]

And with Andrew Scott,
he is great
as is Olivia Colman

No, he despises her

He despises her because she disrupts his ability to control Claire, and she also shows her another freer way of living.

"Everyone may already know this, but Sian Clifford (Claire) is on Twitter and has said - no spoilers - that 'Episode 6 is a beautiful, perfect ending'. She then qualified it with 'didn't say it was happy, just perfect'.

AAAAAARGGGHHH.

vix oh no. I feel scared. I want to be happy.

Bertrand why do you continue to watch, and comment on, something you don’t seem to enjoy?

Hear hear.

I'm with Bertrand though. It has gone downhill and I don't get the endless swooning either. Doesn't mean we can't keep commenting - unless this now just a weird "Scotty" club?

Guys, feminism is actually compatible with being horny sometimes!

“Guys, feminism is actually compatible with being horny sometimes!”

Did anyone say it wasn’t?

I don't fancy the priest (i find him a bit creepy tbh) but I've enjoyed the series.

I think there's room for all points of view. Unless you don't like FB's jumpsuit from episode 1 - in that case yer out!

The disapproving sniffs in response to people swooning over scenes that may not be 100% right-on implied that. You are allowed to be attracted to characters whose lives are messy and who make mistakes. It's what makes it feel true to life.

I don’t think it necessarily has gone downhill. Series 2 is very different to series 1. As the hype and the critical adulation has increased the expectations change from when it was an obscure little show on BBC 3 and it’s almost impossible to make a judgement which is discrete from this. If it were another series of Fleabag stumbling around with mascara streaked down her face, fucking unsuitable men, it would be criticised as repetitive.

Predictably, the backlash has already started on Twitter. Interesting that the main insult levelled at it is that it’s too posh.

Too posh? Brilliant.

The world is broken.

Sometimes you just have to blot out the endless twittering voices of doom and just enjoy something for what is. Who cares what internet trolls think, if you think something's a masterpiece? Let them have their opinions and we'll carry on regardless.

Too posh? How bizarre.

I don't fancy the priest either. He's a bit creepy, maybe that is because of Moriarty.

I find Andrew Scott OTT and annoying in most things but he's actually ok in Fleabag. I don't get his appeal though.

some people on twitter say it is too posh. that is just someone's opinion.
it is not mine

I don't fancy Andrew Scott either, but I think he's perfectly cast in FB and I've really enjoyed his performance in this series.

My fave was when someone called it "soft porn".

Well to be fair it is quite posh.

Well that's the only kind of 'porn' the bbc is likely to commission - thankfully! Nothing erotic about actual porn imo.

He isn’t my cup of tea either but the chemistry between AS and PWB is absolutely electric and they are mesmerising to watch.

I have been trying to work out why this particular plot is having such an impact. I think the taboo of the priesthood is part of it, but I think we also aren’t used to seeing romantic or erotic storylines through a female gaze. I am pondering on.

it is posh - huge houses, posh parts of London etc, but I like that.

Re the priest

putting aside Andrew Scott, when I see a priest in a TV show I'm on high alert. Like Fleabag, I'm an atheist and I certainly don't automatically trust or respect a priest in real life or on TV. Googling the media, there's some outrage about the priest being hot etc

I think OC can say cunt but no one involved could be bothered with the level of complaints they'd get if the priest said it. Though next week might prove me wrong!

Bertrand, you seem to be quite unhappy about the storyline I think? But a story is going to go wherever the creator wants it to - and PWB and AS apparently had discussions about it as Catholicism was a factor in his family and I daresay we all have opinions on religion so it was an interesting way to go with the narrative.

I loved how Fleabag said "I want someone to tell me what to do". Someone upthread mentioned it as a single woman thing. I don't see it that way at all, but I do think - and some religious friends have said to me - that some people like having reference to a set of rules. And the Priest thinks this himself because he said to FB "if you really wanted that, you'd be me" (paraphrased, obviously)

Ruffle, you made me lol with the wanting to lie down thing. But I very much understand the wanting to be alone thing so I would be happy if PWB just decided to be single, we don't get much of that on TV. It's usually laced with "Oh I will meet someone when I'm ready".

I'm wondering how they are going to address the business with Jake. Has his father abused him?

I'm not single and I often wish someone else would make decisions.

I actually wrote my dissertation about this in relation to religion. The theory is why religiosity is rising rather than the predicted fall. And the religions in the rise are those with very strict rules, very black and white. I was theorising about why, particularly young people would find that appealing. One theory was to do with the change in society, the amount of grey area now in life and personal responsibility.