Lassies of Fraser's Ridge - Outlander Season 4, there's spoilers in them thar hills.

[Lessstressedhemum]

A new adventure awaits us in the New World. It's going to be savage!

[NightmareDaemon]

heughan’s heughligans - over the top fans of Outlander

[Lessstressedhemum]

Hh are Heughan 's heulighans, Sam's fan group. They are mental cases in the main.

Yes, Stephen Bonnet is Irish.

[sonjadog]

Claire is annoying me. Why can't she get it into her head that she is in a different time and she has to follow the lead of those who actually know that time, rather than bulldozing her way through creating havoc all because she thinks she knows better than anyone else? She annoyed me in season one with this too, but at least at that time she was meant to be completely new to the 1700s.

[JennyfromtheBroch]

I don't think Jamie is behaving like a lapdog. I think he's keeping his very wealthy aunty onside. He was brought up with a different idea of loyalty. Plus he spoke of her reminding him of his mother.

Claire was annoying again, for reasons mentioned above.

On a shallow note, her red dress with lace collar was gorgeous.

This was the same writer who wrote the episode after the printshop....

[Whisky2014]

Just watched episode 2. What the fuck are you doing, Claire?
Here's a house. Stomps foot...I don't want slaves.
Dont save the black man...saves the black man. Hears windows being broken and aunts house being vandalised...still fucking around listening to stories. Ffs.
They dont deserve the estate!!

[Florabella]

I thought that was a great episode, although difficult to watch. Don't think I want to re-watch to keep me going until next Monday. They have so much to fit into the next 10 episodes, I wonder what they will miss. Still no Murtagh 😥

[Smsmeeesmeghhhehead]

Hhm...it was ok.
My main theory with outlander which has proved unpopular is that Dg should have made it a trilogy and stopped there and I'm beginning to think that this season and future ones will never hold me the same as the first 3. The main thibg has always been Claire and Jamie... falling in love, trying to change the future so dealing with the time change...and then the 20 years separation and being reunited. It should have stopped there.
Nothing will hold my attention like waiting to see them back together.
Now it's just America and blah blah

[JennyfromtheBroch]

That was definitely a probelm sms. DG was also in desperate need of an editor who would stand up to her.

I disagree with stopping at the reunion though because I really love the Frasers' Ridge parts.

I still feel it's a bit scene-settery. Loads to fit into only 10 episodes.

[blibblibs]

Well it was definitely better than last weeks.
Claire was being typical Claire, but I still really like her.
They have such a hard job trying to cram a sometimes very rambling story into just 13 episodes. They'll never please everyone but we'd still be at River Run come episode 10 if they didn't cut it back somehow.
Looking forward to Frasers Ridge next week although I really don't like the Roger/Jamie/Ian storyline so hoping it's a good few more weeks before that happens.

[Lessstressedhemum]

Claire burns my biscuits with her know it all thing. It's an ongoing theme through the whole saga.

[quirkychick]

I'm not sure I think Claire's stupid, just a bit naive and trying to come to terms with the reality of the plantation and slavery situation. It's nearly another 100yrs until the abolition of slavery, and surely she would be aware of the Civil Rights movement and how blacks would still have been treated in the South from her own time. She does just launch in regardless, which makes for plenty of drama.

Wasn't DOA supposed to be the last book, originally? As they are all reunited in the past by the end.

[Lessstressedhemum]

Cross stitch was supposed to be a stand alone, then it was a trilogy and then DoA was to be the final one. I think the books are just too big a money spinner for anyone involved to want to finish the series.

Claire just barges in with her modern sensibilities and no regard for how things are in the C18th. You'd think that she would learn, but no, she never does. But then, I suppose, if she did then half the stuff in the books wouldn't happen.

[quirkychick]

Lessstressed very true! It's even more of a money spinner, now the tv show is involved. I do think the show writers seem pretty good at tidying up some of the rambling, odd plot lines that exist in the books.

Also, waiting for Murtagh .

[Lessstressedhemum]

Do you know what's annoying me about the made Facebook women? In the first three books/seasons when it was the British oppressing the poor, beleaguered, downtrodden Scots, that was fine and they all loved to hate the Redcoats. Now the scene has moved to the New World and they are confronted with uncomfortable truths about the birth of their country, suddenly it's too political, anti-American and the writers are "abandoning the story" in favour of "their own agenda". I think I might have to block HH from my timeline for the next wee while.

[SenecaFalls]

This was always going to be the really difficult part, and I think they handled it very well. I don't think Claire was annoying at all. Her character comes smack up against one of the most heinous realities of American history; all of a sudden time traveling to be with dear Jamie is not quite the jolly it may have seemed to many up to this point in time.

I am descended from Scots who came to North Carolina during this time period. Many enslaved Africans from those days spoke Scots Gaelic.

I still live in the Southern US. That history is still with us. It still rears its ugly head on almost a daily basis. This episode was hard to watch. But it has an essential truth that is inescapable.

[Lessstressedhemum]

There is something that I have never really been able to understand or come to terms with about this part of history. I am descended from Farquharsons, of Colonel Anne Farquharson fame. My ancestors, along with countless others, suffered dreadfully in the aftermath of the Rising of 45. People were oppressed, abused, deported, indentured or forced to flee the country. They then set up shop in the Colonies and made their fortunes of the back of slave labour. How could they possibly justify that, knowing how the Scots, particularly Highlanders, had suffered at the hands of the British? The irony is incredible and I have never been able to get my head round the mindset that would not see a problem with it.

[quirkychick]

Maybe the objection is to do with Culloden being viewed as a kind of faraway history, whereas, as Seneca says the history of the Southern US is still with us and therefore quite raw. With British (English) eyes, I see it as equally horrific as the treatment of the Highlanders, both before eg Jamie's flogging, and after the Rising of 45.

[Lessstressedhemum]

Perhaps you're right, quirky. It just doesn't sit easy with me and I can't quite quantify why.
It's a shameful period of history, all in all. Lots of Scots made huge wealth off the back of the slave trade; cotton merchants, tobacco merchants and sugar barons to name but a few. It's always baffled me that, in a country where so many were oppressed, so little was thought of oppressing others. Especially, after the Rising and all that happened, you'd think people would have felt differently. It was a dark period in my country's past as well.

[quirkychick]

Perhaps it's the case of the abused becoming abusers, it happens, sadly. It is a shameful period of history and one that still resonates today. To DG'S credit, she doesn't shy away from unpleasant historical reality.

[Lessstressedhemum]

No, she doesn't and that is one of the good things about the books set in America.

[JenMumsnet]

I did find the last episode hard going. It probably won't get a rewatch before Monday. But I did start reading the Sir John spin-off books and I am already on book 2.
Really fun read.

[mateysmum]

Finally watched it. I enjoyed it even though it wasn't quite the same as the book. I kind of understand why Clare is so steadfast and out of step with the times. The whole owning slaves thing is a biggy and one that couldn't really be justified to modern readers. We already saw how she reacted to accidentally owning the slave in Jamaica.
I thought the new characters were well cast and the way Ian is growing up is interesting as I was wondering how the actor was going to carry off the traumatic events he faces in the future. Ian's humorous experiences with the skunk and his chat with John Quincy Myers were a good counterpoint on the strangeness of America compared to the slavery issue.

[quirkychick]

Just watched Ep3,an easier watch! Last week was hard, made more so as we went to a neighbour's funeral on Monday. Jocasta and Claire, both very headstrong women... Roger and Bree, I'm liking them more and I really liked the cutting from 18th century Scots in North Caroline to 20th century Scots in North Caroline, with Roger and Brianna having no idea Jamie and Claire are there.

[WhoGivesADamnForAFlakeyBandit]

Can we talk about the fact Claire's boots have a zip

Invented in 1851.

[pisspawpatrol]

Yes the zip annoyed me! But then I wondered whether they are supposed to be the same boots she wore when she arrived back in Edinburgh. Although how she would have held on to them through all of those stupid shipwrecks I don't know.