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The Handmaid's Tale Season 2 (UK Pace) - thread 4

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CruCru · 17/07/2018 23:19

Hi all

Here is the next thread for those who are watching The Handmaid's Tale Season 2 on Channel 4. Please don't put any spoilers on this - the other thread (for those in other countries who are watching ahead of the UK) is:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3239228-Handmaids-Tale-Season-2-SPOILERS-VIEWING-AHEAD-OF-UK-SREENING

Someone on the last thread asked for a link to the previous threads:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3216737-The-Handmaid-s-Tale-Season-2

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3269725-The-Handmaids-Tale-Season-2-UK-Pace-thread-2

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3290403-The-Handmaids-Tale-Season-2-UK-Pace-thread-3?pg=38

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Dontletthebastardsgrindyoudown · 30/07/2018 20:12

@WipsGlitter something about given a last cuddle and keeping routine.

WipsGlitter · 30/07/2018 20:14

But there was something else - a bit of a snide comment. And her jumper was green so hints of Gilead?!

Worriedmum42 · 30/07/2018 20:17

Didn't the teacher say something about 'I'm sure you can remember this from your mum' and June said something along lines of not so much (or similar)

badteacher · 30/07/2018 20:34

I thought the teacher was a bit off - as if she was only just tolerating the exchange between June and Hannah and found it distasteful .

MarshaBradyo · 30/07/2018 20:37

The teacher felt like the hospital staff when June turned up for Hannah a few episodes back

Beginning of Gilead

HopefullyMoving · 30/07/2018 20:41

I always got the feeling that Fred, before all this, was in Serenas shadow. That she helped him and 'the cause'. That she knew her place in the new world but did the right thing (in her eyes) and surrendered her power because she's a woman, to the man, Fred.

This is how I see it. Fred isn't used to the power and authority. It surprises him from time to time. He doesn't act in a way that he's used to it. He tows the line and does things by the book but it's not in his nature to be that person. When he beat serena, he told himself it was because that's what he should do, to hold his place and not what he wanted to do to hold his place.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like him one bit. But he raped June because serena told him to. He let serena scream in his face. Pre Galihad, she wore the trousers and he's used to that. He's not quite the right person to lead that relationship. He's only doing it because he's the man and that's what he should do.

I think Fred is weak. Pitch him against serena he is weaker than her.
Her vulnerability is wanting a baby. That's driving her. She said herself, she let him and supported him in his quest and all she wanted in return was a baby. She's so driven by that force that she can't see past it.
I think I even remember her being shot in a flashback, in a scene where she was a speaker at a university, supporting the new world and she got shot by a protester and so she lost her chance of having a baby because of her supporting Fred. What she wanted in return is what he ultimately took from her. He knows that. He feels he owes her that and will do anything to provide her that - even rape June, who I think he actually respects.
He doesn't realise how much June hates her because he is not emotionally intelligent. Because she doesn't scream, shout and protest he assumes she accepts him. He doesn't know she hates him because she is too subtle for him to pick it up.
He's naive with his relationship with Nick. With all his relationships. He forgets how his power controls people's behaviours around him and after so long, he doesn't realise the hatred people have for him because of his lack of emotional intelligence to pick that up.

I dunno. That's how I see it.

theredjellybean · 30/07/2018 20:42

I didn't get that from teacher at all... I thought she was pretty normal for nursery staff dealing with that kind of situation.
She said 'you know she'll be fine a minute after your gone'
Which is what lots of nursery staff probably say every day

IcedPurple · 30/07/2018 20:49

she got shot by a protester and so she lost her chance of having a baby because of her supporting Fred.

She wasn't supporting Fred. She was at a university to deliver a speech about how women should 'embrace their biological destiny' (yuck!) In fact, he was there to support her.

HopefullyMoving · 30/07/2018 20:53

But IcedPurple wasn't that what Gilead was about. Wasn't that the start of it all?

IcedPurple · 30/07/2018 21:01

IcedPurple wasn't that what Gilead was about. Wasn't that the start of it all?

Yes, but Serena wasn't simply obeying Fred's orders. As I think we agree, she is much more intelligent and a stronger character than him. She chose to be a part of that campaign - she wasn't a political wife supporting her husband.

As for it being the start of Gilead.... I suppose we can speculate on just how extreme Serena expected things to become. Maybe she was just a 'surrendered wife' type conservative of kind you do get in the USA even now, someone who thought women would be better going back to 'traditional' values, giving up their careers etc. other women that is, not her!

Perhaps she never envisaged things become so extreme as turned out in Gilead. Or perhaps she did. Either way, it does seem she was fully on board with it. Until she discovered that the rules also applied to her.

lardass88 · 30/07/2018 21:12

What happened to June's mum?

EmpressOfSpartacus · 30/07/2018 21:15

The handmaids were being shown pictures of the Colonies & June saw her mum in one.

lardass88 · 30/07/2018 21:18

Oh 😞 I missed that

elephantfan · 30/07/2018 22:00

Does anyone know how many more episodes there are?
And more importantly how long episodes are available on catch up?
I have a horrible feeling I am going to be out of the UK for 4 Sundays, with my laptop, so can't even download the episodes.

FrankiesKnuckle · 30/07/2018 22:08

Just watched last nights ep.

Keeping the wolf from her door?

WhyDoesItAlways · 30/07/2018 22:17

Love the speculation that the rich celebrities would have been able to escape Gilead because of their money. They can't all have escaped though. Maybe next series we'll see the Kardashians show up as handmaids!

Sorry for the light-heartedness, I'm just trying to calm down after watching that episode, possibly the most tense yet.

WhyDoesItAlways · 30/07/2018 22:26

In little red riding hood doesn't a hunter come along to kill the wolf and save her and her grandmother? I'm hoping the car at the end is the hunter coming to rescue June and Holly.

psicat · 30/07/2018 22:45

@WhyDoesItAlways that's a lovely thought ❤️

But no, this is THT. It will probably be Aunt Lydia who has tracked her down by scent like a bloodhound and Serena will be holding her leash. Maybe Serena is the hunter!

noblegiraffe · 30/07/2018 22:51

Was June not talking to Holly when she said ‘If you escape or in heaven’? I thought she was continuing previous conversations that she’d had with her in the womb, and earlier in the episode.

Which would mean that things don’t end with a triumphant escape with Nick.

CruCru · 31/07/2018 00:12

Re the wolf. I think they tend not to attack unless they are with their pack. At one point it howled - June didn’t have much time until the rest of the pack arrived.

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SusanWalker · 31/07/2018 00:17

I love the fairy tale aspect of the wolf. I hadn't thought of it like that. I saw it as a representation of June's internal struggle. The wolf saying you're weak and I'm just going to wait until you're a bit weaker and then I'll attack. But June saying no I'm strong and I'm not going to give in to you. Echoed by her mum telling her that she is stronger than she thinks.I

I'd like June to get to Canada at the end of this series and then become the rallying point for the resistance. She could write a book about Gilead and do talk shows, raise awareness. We could see the effect of this on Gilead as we have Emily and Janine as characters to follow.

Tinkhasflown · 31/07/2018 08:25

I'd like to see her get to Canada too. She knows who has Hannah now so the story could look at her rescue and also the changing dynamics between June and Luke and Nick if he is still alive. I do think Nick has survived and hope together he and June can help take Gilead down, but that may just be my wishful thinking. I would love to see Fred and Serena go down.

TangelasVine · 31/07/2018 08:57

I'd like to see her in Canada too. She has a lot of information on one of the most powerful couples and their dynamic and war crimes. She also knows which commander has Hannah. Plus info from the other handmaids.

I think series 3 will see Serena struggling with being a 'mother'. Like many first time mums she's idealised it, but too an extreme / obsessive level. I imagine this'll all come crashing down. She's already commented on Angela's 'mother' complaining and with Serenas temper I think she may be worse.

The show does seem to research issues fairly well so Canada scenes could focus on rehabilitation and the process of being an 'illegal' immigrant, recovering from torture, PTSD, rebuilding relationships that have completely changed etc.
Whilst escape would be better than being in Gilead it's rarely a happy ending for a long time for those escaping regimes.

CurbsideProphet · 31/07/2018 09:04

June does have more knowledge now after listening to the radio (btw wasn't Oprah just supposed to be an ordinary American DJ who has escaped and not "The Oprah"?) and hearing the argument between Fred and Serena.

I suspect there's a lot more heartbreak to come (Margaret Atwood wouldn't allow the easy way out), but I like the Red Riding Hood theory that the car headlights belong to a rescuer.

MargoLovebutter · 31/07/2018 09:58

Ooooooh, I like the fairytale aspect of the wolf - however they are complicated too.

In some of the stories of Little Red Riding Hood, she takes food to her Grandma in the woods & finds that Grandma looks a bit odd and turns out to be the wolf, who has eaten Grandma and then eats Red Riding Hood and the story ends there. In other versions, a woodcutter comes by and rescues her in some way.

So, is June going to be eaten alive by Gilead or rescued?