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The Handmaid's Tale Season 2 (UK Pace) - thread 4

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CruCru · 17/07/2018 23:19

Hi all

Here is the next thread for those who are watching The Handmaid's Tale Season 2 on Channel 4. Please don't put any spoilers on this - the other thread (for those in other countries who are watching ahead of the UK) is:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3239228-Handmaids-Tale-Season-2-SPOILERS-VIEWING-AHEAD-OF-UK-SREENING

Someone on the last thread asked for a link to the previous threads:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3216737-The-Handmaid-s-Tale-Season-2

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3269725-The-Handmaids-Tale-Season-2-UK-Pace-thread-2

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3290403-The-Handmaids-Tale-Season-2-UK-Pace-thread-3?pg=38

OP posts:
theanonymum1 · 30/07/2018 15:18

Foof I actually found that bit quite empowering. To me it was June casting her mind back for support and as much as being a handmaid is awful, there’s a solidarity there I think? Especially with janine, who featured in the flashbacks. In my eyes, I saw it as June drawing on everything she’d been given to help her through it and her previous birth couldn’t help because it was so medicalised so all she had to draw on was the sort of hypnotic trance like chanting of Aunt Lydia and the Handmaids. It was very primitive and I felt was really well done.

I’m not going to express this very well and I’m not too sure what I’m trying to say exactly, but to me, the birth of Hannah in such a medicalised setting was... I don’t know. I’ve read things before that have said natural births that are most beneficial for the mother are more like Holly’s birth - like the midwife led birth her mother was pushing for. Medical births and giving birth on your back etc are more about managing the women than enabling a ‘good’birth, so perhaps traditionally more for the male doctors that would have been in attendance even though these days it’s more a female led industry? (I mean midwifery.)

Holly’s birth scene almost seemed more like the better birth. My instinct was that it was written as being better. That would imply though that this was s good thing? I don’t know... maybe it’s the ultimate representation of June taking back control. In a wider sense, the message being that women need to be listened to and heard more.

I hope that makes sense, I can’t quite to the heart of what I mean properly.

badteacher · 30/07/2018 15:21

A bit silly how a 9 month old pregnant woman is effortlessly running around massive grounds in the freezing cold ( and up and down stairs ) without so much as a hint of a waddle Hmm

MarshaBradyo · 30/07/2018 15:22

Yes agree anonymum it was the more empowering birth

Risky but strong

blueandgreendots · 30/07/2018 15:23

The labour scene was so powerful, I found it really moving and it took me back to my deliveries. I guess it also made me a bit broody even though I don't want any more children! I actually had a conversation with a taxi driver about THT yesterday; she said that she can't stand anyone else being in the room when its on. It is totally engaging television, but I hope they don't milk it for millions of series so it loses its impact.

melisma · 30/07/2018 15:25

FoofFighter I read this below in an interview with the producer and writer of the show about the use of flashbacks in the birth scene:
(So QuackPorridgeBacon and theanonymum1, you are spot on!)

"The intent there was to show her and have her understand and realize and remember that she's not alone. That there's something universal and primal about giving birth, so she's connected to everyone who's ever given birth. That's why we show her flashbacks to Hannah's birth, that's why we cut scenes of Janine giving birth to her daughter, even scenes from the Red Center where they're learning the official Gilead way of giving birth. All of that are the tools and the emotional community that she draws on to help her through this moment. So she's alone in the literal sense, but she's not alone in the larger universal, metaphorical sense."

EvilTwins · 30/07/2018 15:38

I didn't see the wolf as a positive thing at all. She's alone, in the woods, in red (fairy tales were, after all, cautionary) and the big bad wolf that is Gilead is still preventing her from escape. OK, it didn't attack her, but she was scared of it - certainly wary of it.

That, plus the cinematography meant there was always an element of her being watched. At one point, there was a really cool shot of her out of an upstairs round window, which was so much a case of "under his eye" that I said so out loud (to no one - DH was watching shite in the other room)

I found the wolf quite menacing.

eyycarumba · 30/07/2018 15:39

I never considered the comparison of the hospital to the 'home' birth - food for thought.

I rarely go back and watch shows more than once, at least not straight away, but I think I'm going to have to rewatch this episode tonight.

MarshaBradyo · 30/07/2018 15:41

I saw the wolf as death’s door

Didn’t think of the mother at all

eyycarumba · 30/07/2018 15:45

I didn't see the wolf as a positive thing at all. She's alone, in the woods, in red (fairy tales were, after all, cautionary) and the big bad wolf that is Gilead is still preventing her from escape. OK, it didn't attack her, but she was scared of it - certainly wary of it.

Excellent analogy, never thought of the red riding hood likeness

MrStarkIDontFeelSoGood · 30/07/2018 15:45

I also didn't think the wolf was her Mum

To me the Wolf was Gilead.

Whilst she was trying to escape the wolf stood.

As soon as she surrendered to being caught it vanished

psicat · 30/07/2018 15:47

"That, plus the cinematography meant there was always an element of her being watched"

Ooooo this @eviltwins! I was so nervous through it, like watching a horror movie waiting for the jump scare. Even though I knew no one was there it felt like there was someone around every corner

EvilTwins · 30/07/2018 15:50

psicat - yes! Especially when there were mirrors or door involved. When she was looking through cupboards and wardrobes I fully expected there to be someone there every time she closed a door.

psicat · 30/07/2018 15:51

Yes! Exactly that! I was practically watching behind a cushion 😂

melisma · 30/07/2018 15:58

EvilTwins totally agree that the camera angles did such a great job of ratcheting up the tension and really creating that feeling that she was being watched. At that round window shot, DH and I both said "under his eye" nearly simultaneously! Grin

Dontletthebastardsgrindyoudown · 30/07/2018 16:12

@EvilTwins that's a brilliant point about the round window and under his eye. I felt eery with that particular scene, but didn't pick up that connection at all!

legolimb · 30/07/2018 16:17

Oh boy! That was a great episode.

Much as i would love nick to turn up and rescue them I don't think it will be.

Roussette · 30/07/2018 16:21

I actually had a conversation with a taxi driver about THT yesterday; she said that she can't stand anyone else being in the room when its on

That's me too! My DH is sometimes out on a Sunday night but he came back right in the middle of it and I was watching in the kitchen (best telly pictures) and I had to shout out 'you can't come in' !! I don't feel right watching it with someone, don't know why. Probably because it's so intense.

LittleWingSoul · 30/07/2018 16:29

@eviltwins I also saw that camera shot as a marksman taking his aim down the barrel of a gun. Ominous!

The flashback explanation makes a lot of sense to me. During my last labour, which was the only unmedicalised one I had, with every contraction towards the end when they were really fierce, my brain provided me with the mantra "big Irish family, big Irish family" with images of a scenic 'wind that shakes the barley' type birth scene. Which was completely bizarre and trippy as I have no connections to ireland (I'm British/Mexican!) but it was like my mind had made this international leap and was drawing on some shared consciousness that women in Labour have. The primal instinct. Or something.

badteacher · 30/07/2018 18:53

I thought the wolf inspired June. It was a 'lone wolf ' that didn't harm her, a subversion of the wolf element of the traditional fairy tale. If it had been representative of Gilead I think it would have been much more sinister .
I'll be honest , I didn't enjoy the episode apart from the brief argument between Serena and Fred .

ChanklyBore · 30/07/2018 19:03

Red riding hood.

The wolf ate her grandma.

Grandma Holly.

Holly has red berries, and grows in the snow.

Holly shares an initial with Hannah. Especially as she has just learned they have changed Hannah’s name to Agnes. And she can’t have given up on Hannah, as she told the baby some day she would meet her.

thanksamillion · 30/07/2018 19:05

With the hospital vs home birth comparison I think I'm right in saying that in general birth is much more medicalised in the states than here. I'm sure I read an article about midwife led home birth being illegal in some states so it's possible that those scenes were even more shocking to US audiences.

WitchSharkadder · 30/07/2018 19:20

Yay, thanks, the US don’t have ‘midwives’ as such, just obstetric nurses who assist OBGYNs, afaik. Birth is much more medicalised, stirrups, epidurals much more routine etc, etc.

I also saw the fairlytale/Little Red Riding Hood connection with the wolf. I didn’t see it as a symbol of strength at all. It ensured that she couldn’t escape on foot (not that tht would have been sensible given she was heavily pregnant and it’s the depths of winter.) It only appeared when she was trying to get out too.

Barbadosgirl · 30/07/2018 19:28

It also licked its lips/bared its teeth!

placemats · 30/07/2018 19:32

Loved that episode. Everything about it brought me back to me and when my children were first off to nursery/school and the birth. That birth was just like my last birth except no fire, no snow, and I had really no option but to have the cord cut by my abusive ex. How I wish I could have kept the cord until the placenta was born.

So moving. And I cried again.

I liked the birth of Hannah and all the argy bargy too. So different to the argument between Serena and her rapist husband.

The wolf has a meaning in native north Americans, especially in the snow. It is part warning, part good luck, part strength and part portent. Basically it's what the person seeing it wants it to be. If the wolf existed at all.

WipsGlitter · 30/07/2018 20:08

What did the teacher say when June was trying to drop Hannah off?