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Lassies of Lallybroch in the Caribbean - The Outlander Discussion Thread - Spoilers Ahoy

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MoNigheanDonn · 28/11/2017 07:51

New thread lassies for all things Jamie and Claire (and all things in between).

Only two episodes left! Hope everyone enjoyed episode 11.

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AKAmyself · 18/12/2017 18:58

Less, i will write 200 pages of Jamie massaging Claire’s bunions just for you Grin

CourtneyLoveIsMySpiritAnimal · 18/12/2017 19:04

Yes, you're right Marsali I'm just annoyed about their separation for all the reasons stated upthread. There were ways round it, but DG obviously decided to go the route she did.

Aka that's a bit of Grin and a bit of Confused

CoraPirbright · 18/12/2017 19:09

Loved it!! Not as much as S1 & 2 but wonderful all the same. One thing I dont understand (and perhaps someone who has read all the books can clear up for me) is: why on earth does feisty Claire put up with Marsali calling her a whore so much?? Doesn’t really seem to fit to me. Marsali is an utter PItA and a bitch to boot - poor Fergus, what has he gotten himself into? Please can someone come and tell me that in the books she is actually awesome?

AKAmyself · 18/12/2017 19:15

I think tv Marsali is a hoot! I love her. And Claire puts up with being called a hoor because : a) she understands that in Marsalis eyes she’s the woman who ruined her mother b) she loves Fergus (though admittedly the show does a crap job of showing that

CourtneyLoveIsMySpiritAnimal · 18/12/2017 19:18

I love tv Marsali! (Can't remember much of her in the books, tbh).

She's everything that Bree should be and isn't.

AKAmyself · 18/12/2017 19:19

She's everything that Bree should be and isn't

THIS!!!

breadwidow · 18/12/2017 20:46

Aka, love your version and totally agree with others on the note thing. I also cannot really forgive DG for separating them. We read/watch for them together, we don't need heat break and separation! We want them together

Notonthestairs · 18/12/2017 20:54

Can we send AKA's version to Starz and ask if they could make an alternate version? If we could ship Rupert and Angus along with Murtagh to America that would also be good. Dougal would have to die but then he wouldn't want to leave Scotland anyway.

quirkychick · 19/12/2017 06:41

Oh, I love AKA's version. 10yrs apart, much more realistic, Bree gets to grow up with Jamie/his family. It's as if DG says, what's the worse thing I can do to my characters. I'm glad I'm not alone in disliking the 20yrs separation. There's a reason authors don't usually do this, it's hard to pull off! I'm not going to put in a completely bonkers plot device and spend all the other 1,000 page books trying to justify it: 20yrs separation, marrying Laoghaire...

quirkychick · 19/12/2017 06:42

*I'm going to, obviously my coffee hasn't kicked in this morning!

AKAmyself · 19/12/2017 07:25

I have always read the books and now watching the series pretending that they’re 10 years younger than Dg says they are . Tbh I also think DG pretends they are 10 years younger than she says!

CourtneyLoveIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/12/2017 08:11

Tbh I also think DG pretends they are 10 years younger than she says!

I agree! In which case, it was doubly pointless separating them for so long.

Why have your characters be 50 & 45 when they're reunited only to have them behaving as if they're 30, and with none of the stuff that comes with old age.

I do think that Book 4 was intended to be the last one in the series but she just couldn't let them go.

CoraPirbright · 19/12/2017 08:42

I SO agree - the 20 years separation was just weird.

Still dont get the Marsali-love on this thread! I think she’s an utter baggage and cant understand why Claire didn’t slap her across the chops weeks ago!!

Murtagh, Rupert and Angus miraculously alive and shipped over to the Americas sigh. Now THAT really would be something!! Still chortle over “Are you the blacksmith?”

AKAmyself · 19/12/2017 08:58

I’m ok with The separation but 20 years is too long. Although, otoh, I have to say that once you strip out all the pointless shenanigans, it is actually quite wonderful to read a love story of mature lovers and it has given me a totally new lease of hope in the future of my marriage Smile

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 19/12/2017 09:26

I queried the long separation and someone pointed out that it avoids having Claire permanently pregnant!

AKAmyself · 19/12/2017 10:02

I think it was me, Breakfast ;) but my scenario takes care of that too!

Lessstressedhemum · 19/12/2017 12:27

It's the mature love story that keeps me reading. It's so different from the kind of Romance normally punted at women, where everything is young and Beautiful, fresh and exciting. Although, I can't really come to terms with a pair in their 60s shagging at the drop of a hat all over the place. Ah well, a middle aged woman can dream. As for the American revolution, I don't know muchabout it, or any American history and, God forgive me, I've never really wanted too. But I can understand why someone with Jamie's background would feel compelled to join with the rebels to break free from the oppressing English.

AKA, as they say around here, gads-a-boak! A nice back rub leading on to something better, aye, that'll do.

Marsali is awesome. She hasn't had the chance to grow as a character yet, but she will. Claire puts up with the guff for Jamie's sake, because he loves Marsali and also because she (Claire), in a rare display of empathy, understands that in the eyes of the girls, she has stolen Jamie away from their mother and wrecked their family.

Marsali has had a difficult life, in common with most Highland folk at the time - hunger, danger, violence - Jamie was a small source of stability and safety and Claire took that away. So, she is understandably furious. And remember, in the books she is only 15, so just a wee lassie really. She goes on to become a strong, capable, independent pioneer woman and a great role model. Apart from the way she puts up with Fergus and his garbage. Although, he is clearly depressed and has a breakdown over his inability to be a "proper" man, as he sees it.

AKAmyself · 19/12/2017 13:53

I love every word of what you just said Less!

SenecaFalls · 19/12/2017 13:58

It's the mature love story that keeps me reading. It's so different from the kind of Romance normally punted at women, where everything is young and Beautiful, fresh and exciting.

I agree. One of the great things about the books is how DG turns some of the tropes of romantic fiction upside down, particularly the one that requires the woman to be younger than the man and sexually inexperienced.

But I can understand why someone with Jamie's background would feel compelled to join with the rebels to break free from the oppressing English.

That would be the oppressing British actually. There were a lot of Scottish soldiers fighting against the colonists in the American Revolution. Also there were quite a few Scottish settlers, including many highland Scots in North Carolina who were loyalists or at least neutral in the Revolution. They had left Scotland for a better life, many after a war that had had disastrous results for the country, and many of them actually preferred the status quo. It would have been just as realistic to have Jamie be a loyalist, but American fans would have hated that. The aftermath would also have been problematical, although quite a few loyalists managed to stay in the US after the war.

SenecaFalls · 19/12/2017 14:06

In researching my own family tree, I discovered that my highland ancestors fell roughly into one of three categories: those who fought for the colonies; those who were loyalists and supported the Crown; and those who hid in the woods until the war was over were neutral.

quirkychick · 19/12/2017 14:39

I do like the mature love story, but in 8 books, they could have had 10yrs apart and then go into an older relationship.

I've just rewatched S1 Ep1, TM and SH are just fantastic actors, love all Jamie's flirty humour with Claire, even so early on. Omg, Claire's 40s hair is so bad, I can't quite get the shorter curly (wig?) and then the hair down the shoulders later thing. I have really quite curly hair and it does not curl so much it looks so many inches shorter. Love the references that are in later episodes that refer back to the start: Frank telling Claire he would love her no matter what, both Jamie and Frank say that again later; the hiding in the grass at the stones watching the dance, as someone before said, just like the last episode with the maroons; Claire wrapped in a shawl at the stones and again when Jamie sends her back, leaving the shawl both times. I miss Scotland, it's so atmospheric and beautiful.

CourtneyLoveIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/12/2017 15:07

I do like the mature love story, but in 8 books, they could have had 10yrs apart and then go into an older relationship

Exactly this!! The saga could've ended 3 books ago, and they still could've been well into their 80's when it ended.

At this rate, Jamie is going to the be the oldest Captain fighting in WW1 at nearly 200 years old (only breaking off every now and then to give Claire a good seeing to Hmm) but still managing to show those young 'uns up as not quite a good at fighting as he is.

CourtneyLoveIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/12/2017 15:09

Sorry, should've added that my point about WWI is that DG doesn't know when to let go. It's may be a lovely mature love story, but I don't think it's a very realistic one.

quirkychick · 19/12/2017 16:25

Grin Courtney. 20yrs pass in the first third of book 3, the next 5 books cover the interminable American Revolution (of which I'm sure there are more interesting fictionalised accounts).

Also, as they knew Culloden was a potential disaster, wouldn't you have thought J&C would have had a better contingency plan than sending Claire back through the stones I a panic...

quirkychick · 19/12/2017 16:27

*in a panic Blush

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