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Liar Monday 9pm

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troodiedoo · 11/09/2017 15:25

I'm sure there are many planning to watch this tonight but I can't see a thread, apologies if there is one.

Looks promising with good acting stock. I'm already worried about the implications for real life reporting and conviction rates if the female is lying. Got a feeling it won't be that black and white though.

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BeyondNoone · 27/09/2017 10:09

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Mumof41987 · 27/09/2017 10:13

Is there ??? Omg how weird cos I thought it was the end - apologies

Mumof41987 · 27/09/2017 10:14

I wonder what twist and turns are going to happen now then

Papafran · 27/09/2017 10:31

Yes I knew he spiked her drink but hard to fathom why he needed to rape her

Nobody needs to rape anyone. That is such an offensive attitude. Rapists are not all unattractive weirdos who can't get a date and need to rape a woman because she would never willingly have sex with him. Rapists get off on control and can't bear anyone saying no to them- if they want sex, they will have it. They can be slick, charming, good-looking. In fact, I would say that rapists display tendencies towards being a psychopath (ie complete lack of consideration for another person). Psychopaths are very often charming and manage to fool people.

God help us if we have people like that on the jury in a rape trial. 'Oh he couldn't possibly have raped her because women would willingly have sex with him'. Let me guess, you probably also think that unattractive or overweight women can't be raped either.

GColdtimer · 27/09/2017 10:44

Woodhill, just think through what you have said. Am appalled you think anyone would "need" to rape anyone. He raped her because he gets off on the control and the power. He is a predator. He has no interest in pursuing a consensual relationship with a woman. He uses his looks and charm to enable him to disarm his victims.

This is the point the show is trying to make.

As for the next 3 episodes I would imagine it's all about him trying to get revenge because she didn't keep her mouth shut like a good little girl should.

No idea why people are saying "it was the son, it was the taxi driver". How much further proof do you need - we saw him spike her drink ffs. And we saw his true nature when he asked the DI out for a drink.

Graphista · 27/09/2017 10:53

Wow! Agree - the idea that rapists are only raping to fulfill their sexual needs is naive at best.

I would recommend those thinking this do an image search on convicted rapists - they are just as likely to be good looking, young, fit, successful, financially stable men.

It's NOT about sex, it's about power and control.

mamamalt · 27/09/2017 12:11

Okay. I came here to have a casual rant about some things on this program... so first off YUCK to all the supporters of rape. I'm not even getting into all that
My gripe is that she is a bloody teacher!!! She wrote about a pupils parent on an open forum on the web and was still allowed to work with the son. Then she bundled a kid into her car without any sort of care to the rest of her day, suitable insurance etc and she doesn't ring the girls parent because she asked her not to...?!? Shocksay what now?! It's just so unrealistic

KurriKurri · 27/09/2017 12:14

Yeah - very sad to see some of the strange attitudes that still prevail regarding rape and rapists. No wonder lots of women can't face coming forward.

Can;t believe that people actually think rapist = man who is too unattractive to have sex in a normal way. Such a huge misconception of what rape is actually about.

BeyondNoone · 27/09/2017 12:15

I don’t think it’s too crazy (it is tv). Working in a similar job, a friend of mine had to have appropriate car insurance just in case she had to take someone somewhere. And she did call someone to cover her class and inform them where she (and the young woman) were going. She’s under no obligation to tell the parents, she was 16.

KurriKurri · 27/09/2017 12:19

mamamalt - I agree with your comments regarding her position as a teacher - totally unbelievable !
I'm choosing to suspend disbelief because of the wider issues raised which I think are important ones. But yes - it's not the best written drama in th world and there are a lot of flaws, but I think the portrayal of the rapists mind set and the woman he has raped are good (as in believable) and do raise all the points that PP have been discussing. And anything which opens up debate is a good thing IMO.

mamamalt · 27/09/2017 12:40

Yes Kurri! I agree. It was a light hearted rant really! The subject matter is much bigger than my grievances Grin
And thanks Beyond. I actually do that very same job myself which is why I was so shocked. Am pretty sure if I had conducted myself that way I would be in some hot water. A phone call to cover my classes!!😂😂😂 there are proper procedures and policy for these thing. As per the insurance the number of people in a school insured like that is usually controlled by the head as they often have to pay the extra cost etc. Anyyyway it just niggled me. When is she doing all her marking!?? Wink

woodhill · 27/09/2017 12:48

I was following a train of thought as you do, more a rhetorical question.

woodhill · 27/09/2017 12:52

It's hard to understand his mentality.

GColdtimer · 27/09/2017 12:59

I think the point is woodhill that even the fact this thought popped into your head, shows us how far society has yet to go when it comes to issues around sexual violance. People are still thinking of rapists as losers lurking in the bushes, not good looking, intelligent, successful, charming men. The sooner people stop thinking about rape as being about sex and thinking about rape as power and control and misogyny the easier all of this becomes.

Men like him could get sex in a consensual way, of course they could. They choose not to because they get off on having ultimate control. As Laura said to him, "you are a predator". And men like this can use their looks and their money and their charm to attract women and put them in a position where they could conceivably have had consensual sex but because they are so charming and good looking etc, etc, people (including women, it so appears) will say "there is no way he raped her, why would he". And they add their voices to the ones going "but she flirted, she had too much to drink, she invited him in". And where does that leave us? With women being blamed or disbelieved.

As a mother of two daughters I am finding this thread utterly depressing.

Elendon · 27/09/2017 13:39

I think that is a very good point to raise Woodhill.

As twofalls has pointed out very clearly, it is still a sticking point when it comes to rape and the prosecution of rape.

No rapist has RAPIST scored across his forehead. In court, many will have a female barrister/solicitor to give the impression that he loves women. Many will have partners/wives/girlfriends and a family.

Of course both detectives know this, Laura knows this, having been through a previous sexual assault allegation. Laura knows and understands how men in positions of power and influence can be rapists.

I can understand the frustrations of teachers though, there doesn't seem to be these short cuts when it comes to the HCPs. I wonder if that is deliberate?

Openup41 · 27/09/2017 13:52

I am sure Andrew could get near enough any woman he wanted. He decided he wanted Laura and took the steps to ensure this would happen. I wonder if Andrew has date raped in the past. It explains him being single - he has no desire for a healthy relationship just sex when it pleases him. They live in a small town where everyone knows everyone so perhaps he dates further afield. So many possibilities.......

woodhill · 27/09/2017 13:57

Thanks, I got a really hard time earlier but I think that is where the programme led my thought process tbh.

I think as well I had the image of the actor as the valiant Horacio Hornblower.

Plus why would a respectable man with a son and profession want to or need to do this. He could have had a proper relationship with Laura.

woodhill · 27/09/2017 13:59

Why would he risk everything.

I have to dds too, two

woodhill · 27/09/2017 14:00

Two

GColdtimer · 27/09/2017 14:04

Did my explanation in my pp not, in part, explain this?

He doesn't want a proper relationship with Laura. Meaningful consensual relationships are not where he gets his kicks.

woodhill · 27/09/2017 14:11

Glad I've never come across this type of person, must have led a sheltering life. At the end of the day it's a tv programme.

KurriKurri · 27/09/2017 14:19

Plus why would a respectable man with a son and profession want to or need to do this

That's the point - it's not about relationships, rapists don't want relationships, they want to rape people because they enjoy rape, its about power and control. My son use to work in a prison, he says the sexual offenders were the most sinister and scary people he worked with, far more so than many murderers, because they are so manipulative, and often very charming - they have no remorse for their actions and no ability to understand the effect thay have on someone's life.
They are just as likely to be 'respectable' people with professions and families as any other kid of person.

It is so important that we get past the idea that rapists look like Fred West and are easy to spot, they aren't, I'm sure anyone could point to umpteen examples of wealthy 'respectable' good looking professional men who rape. There are plenty of them in the news. In fact the supposedly 'nice and normal' appearing ones are almost more dangerous because it is easier for them to gain trust. Rapists come in all sorts of guises - it is really important to understand this.

Elendon · 27/09/2017 14:42

Why would he risk everything?

He's not risking anything in his mind. With attitudes like why would he risk everything, why would he even be worried?

woodhill · 27/09/2017 15:12

I suppose he is a a psychopath and you are right, he probably has a respectable charming persona which masks his dark unpleasant side.

Papafran · 27/09/2017 15:33

Plus why would a respectable man with a son and profession want to or need to do this. He could have had a proper relationship with Laura

Why would several highly paid and very well respected lawyers, married with children and families, decide to grope and otherwise sexually assault me (and various other female trainees) during my legal career?

Answer: because they felt like it and didn't give a shit about me or my feelings because they were in a position of power over me. They knew they could easily get away with it, thought it was fun and there would be no consequences.

You really need to change your thinking about rapists.