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Game of Thrones Season 7, Episode 3 discussion thread *SPOILERS*

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OlennasWimple · 30/07/2017 18:21

WARNING: HERE BE DRAGONS (probably) AND SPOILERS

THIS THREAD IS FOR DISCUSSION OF SEASON 7, EPISODE 3 "THE QUEEN'S JUSTICE"

Come and discuss the third episode in the penultimate series, airing July 31st at 2am UK time! Don't read the thread if you want to avoid finding out what happens in Season 7 but also Seasons 1-6

HBO description of the episode: Daenerys holds court. Cersei returns a gift. Jaime learns from his mistakes.

Please avoid discussing leaks and production details for Seasons 7 and 8 but speculate away on what we have learnt from the new episodes and what it might mean for the rest of the Season and the ultimate winner(s) of the Game of Thrones Smile

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EllaHen · 01/08/2017 13:43

BeyondQueenofLists - Schrofinger is fucking genius. I love it!

Can't believe Diana Rigg is gone. She capped me.

HaveToBeSure · 01/08/2017 13:49

Tyrion with a Victor Meldrew voice - fucking yes!! Accurate!

Personally I think Cersei is deliberately keeping her hair short. I think she's invoking Tywin's look, or at least certainly trying to appear more masculine. Book Cersei certainly spends a lot of time extremely pissed off that she's not a man - she thinks it a lot - so I can see this as her motivation. I also liked how her maid who came to the door also had that hairstyle- either suggesting people are emulating her look for fashion or by force, or maybe another book hint - didn't one of her maids also cut her hair off afterwards or am I make no that up? Jesus I hope Sansa doesn't try to copy THAT look.

I'm more irritated by how Meera managed to get such a good dye job while at Castle Black.

Gotta be honest, I don't get the fuss everyone makes about travel speeds. Books, plays, films and tv have always done away with unimportant real life things to deliver the actual story, that's why we usually don't see people going to the toilet, sharing the same names, forgetting what they were saying halfway through a sentence etc. Because of societal conventions in storytelling we work on assumed facts that don't need to be shown unless necessary- to the extent that if they are included it actually seems MORE jarring and unnatural. It's why speech isn't delivered in to/books in the same way people speak in real life because we fill in the gaps or blank out stuttering, repeating ourselves, hesitation in conversation because we know how conversational structures work. That's also why many people don't like books where the writers have tried to make characters speak naturally- it's incredibly irritating and breaks the spell of the story (try it - record a conversation and transcribe every word exactly, including all pauses etc. It will read horribly.)

My point is we know characters travel, we know travel takes time, we don't need to see it to know this - especially if all the other arcs are keeping up with the pace. Series 5 was criticised heavily for featuring too much traveling- they can't win.

Really enjoying Sansa and Dany is becoming a huge pain in the arse.

Loved Jorah's scene. In a previous thread I posted a link to Game of Thrones screenshot scenes with Monty Python and the Holy Grail captions and all I could think was "She turned me into a newt! I got better..."

It is frustrating how most of the characters have lost what made them interesting and well rounded at the beginning - Jaime (fuck what they've done to his arc! He's a complete non character now whereas in the book he's complex, growing as a person and has essentially abandoned Cersei. My prediction- not based on anything other than theory - is so his eventual turning against Cersei will be more of an impact on audiences (I think this is the wrong approach btw, is the audience really as thick as the show seems to think? We managed to cope for the first few series without plots being excessively simplified and spelled out).

Cersei - becoming very two dimensional

Tyrion - What happened Tyrion? We miss you.

Dany - Smug smuggity smug

Littlefinger (and to an extent Varys) - You used to be an absolute mastermind!. What happened?

On the other hand I like how Jon and Sansa are progressing in the show.

Bran and Arya starting to annoy me.

I still think Jorah, Davos and the Hound are still acting like their characters would (albeit in new scenarios for them) and even though he's different from the book I love Tormund.

Oh, and for anyone lamenting a drop in dialogue quality since we left the books, what are you talking about? About 50% of this series has speech directly from the books! Admittedly it's the first books, and speech they've already used... (seriously, why all the call backs to earlier series all of a sudden?)

AryaUnderfoot · 01/08/2017 13:52

The black-ness of everything I can forgive but then why is Sandor on a brown horse? No, no, no, no, no!

Bring back Stranger!

SongforSal · 01/08/2017 14:05

Fan theory alert!

I definitely think Jamie will murder Cersie. I don't think he is addicted to her, nor loves her anymore. His face was pure disdain after realising his last son had died. Also, in the second episode with the huge map painted on the floor, the camera panned upwards to show Cersie standing on the 'Neck' of Westeros, and Jamie standing at 'The Fingers'. I think that may be a clue to him strangling her.

MyOtherProfile · 01/08/2017 14:13

Tyrion with a Victor Meldrew voice - fucking yes!! Accurate!
Glad it's not just me! Been bugging me for ages who he sounds like!

FanwankTheAbsurd · 01/08/2017 14:14

Next week's dialogue ...
Dany: So, what do you think about these tales of white walkers?
Tyrion: I don't belieeeve it
🤣

EllaHen · 01/08/2017 14:15

Fanwank - 😂😂😂

MyOtherProfile · 01/08/2017 14:28

Brilliant!

Mustang27 · 01/08/2017 14:34

Good shout song!

I think it can only be Jaime to kill her, maybe in a way that he will take them both out to save Tyrion.

As said further down the thread there is little chance of a character arc in redemption that doesn't come across as contrived and rushed now.

AryaUnderfoot · 01/08/2017 14:39

As someone mentioned upthread, I think Arya will kill Cersei wearing Jaime's face.

I think there's a reason why they've brought Widow's Wail back into the show at this late stage. I think Widow's Wail has to be reunited with Oathkeeper as some sort of symbolic reforging of Ice. Jaime will sacrifice himself to save Brienne which will earn him automatic redemption credits that he would have otherwise had to earn wandering the Riverslands for two seasons.

KnitFastDieWarm · 01/08/2017 14:43

I'm wondering if Sexy Jesus aka jaqen h'gar will make a reappearance this season...A girl misses a man's strangely attractive third person speech patterns Grin

Glad bronn is still going - He's one of my favourites and I wondered where he'd got to!

Oleanna is who I want to be when I grow up, sad to see her go but what an exit Wink

ElspethFlashman · 01/08/2017 14:49

How is it that the characters who bored me in previous seasons are now the ones I like the most and the previously compelling ones are now Dullsville?

I really like Jon and Sansa right now. They seem practical and sensible. Sam is actually doing something of substance for a change, healing Jorah.

But Danaerys has become a one-note character, full of guff about being Boss of All the World. Yawn. And Tyrion isn't exactly setting the screen on fire so far. He's not doing much more than Varys could do instead. I'm not giving him props for knowing a back way into his own home.

I think Grey Worms time is up. Him getting some improbable sexy time seals it, really. No loss. We'll get one single perfect tear rolling down Missandei's face and that'll be that.

So glad Diana Rigg got to say "cunt" before she left, lol.

I'm confused by how meaningful her revelation was supposed to be though. Jaime never believed Tyrion did it. Tyrion denied it and Jaime obviously believed him as he set him free. So what difference does it make who actually did it?

AryaUnderfoot · 01/08/2017 15:07

My fantasy rewrite...

Dany: People normally enjoy the things they're good at.
Jon: I don't. Apart from The Lord's Kiss. I quite enjoy that.

Dany: IHave you seen my dragons?
Jon: Have you seen my big fuck-off direwolf? I can warg into it. Beat that. Look, it's over........ Shit...

FanwankTheAbsurd · 01/08/2017 15:27

Still love this bit
m.youtube.com/watch?v=grnHptAAUZ8

AdalindSchade · 01/08/2017 15:28

Cersei standing on the 'Neck' of Westeros, and Jamie standing at 'The Fingers'. I think that may be a clue to him strangling her

Clever!

FadedRed · 01/08/2017 16:02

Chistmasunicorn Could 'the seas drying' refer to the seas freezing over and allowing the White Walkers et al marching over them, and the 'mountains falling' refer to the Wall coming down?

PhuntSox · 01/08/2017 16:28

Does anyone know what Mycroft was talking about when he said Cersei had overcome the legend/myth/foretelling of a female queen? I can't remember his exact turn of phrase but it seemed significant to me, especially as her other prediction about her children was accurate.

PhuntSox · 01/08/2017 16:30

Also, my theory about the end is 'Valor Morghalis' so Tyrion, half man, Jon, already died, and Dany, female, should survive the end.

twattymctwatterson · 01/08/2017 16:43

Dany believes she will never carry a female child but that doesn't mean it's true. Her and Jon will definitely bang this season but I don't think they'll rule together - actually I think we'll see her sacrifice herself next season in the war for the dawn. There really has to be a big payoff in terms of characters dying. We haven't REALLY lost a character fans care about since the Red Wedding.

Bran was creepy AF last night. "Remember that time you were raped on your wedding night, sister? Well I watched 👀"

twattymctwatterson · 01/08/2017 16:49

Female child?! Living child

yumyumpoppycat · 01/08/2017 17:06

The significance of Olenna's confession was that it was too late to punish her, Jamie showed her mercy with the poison rather than any of Cersei's evil torture options. It also reflected back to Nymeria's death as payback for Marcella, for a minute we were wondering if her poison would be as awful as Joffrey's. Sorry if repeating I need to read the thread now!

AdalindSchade · 01/08/2017 17:10

Cersei is keeping her hair short. Tyene's hair grew 6' since last season

brieandcrackers · 01/08/2017 17:13

PhuntSox the bit about casting off superstition? I think he was referring to her destruction of the sept - i.e. effectively ending the Sparrows and all their dodgy ideas.

The Iron Bank definitely would not have appreciated the citizens supporting a group that promote living the simple life away from luxury!!

amousehaseatenmypaddlingpool · 01/08/2017 17:42

Quick technical quiz.

Even if Dany does get her womb up and running again, if Jon's dead what makes us think he can father a child?

Showniverse?

AryaUnderfoot · 01/08/2017 17:53

amouse showiverse has no rules for resurrection and fertility. Bookiverse suggests no-one comes back 'unaltered'. Lots of stuff in books about Beric losing parts of his personality each time he is brought back. GRRM spoke in an interview recently about Jon being a fire-Wight like Beric. Whether this translates into show canon is anyone's guess.

Jon and Dany having fire and ice babies and living happily ever after as co-rulers of the 7 kingdoms sounds a bit more sweet than bittersweet though. Don't see it happening - particularly as she's gone all megalomaniac recently.