Game of Thrones Season 7, Episode 3 discussion thread *SPOILERS*

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WARNING: HERE BE DRAGONS (probably) AND SPOILERS

THIS THREAD IS FOR DISCUSSION OF SEASON 7, EPISODE 3 "THE QUEEN'S JUSTICE"

Come and discuss the third episode in the penultimate series, airing July 31st at 2am UK time! Don't read the thread if you want to avoid finding out what happens in Season 7 but also Seasons 1-6

HBO description of the episode: Daenerys holds court. Cersei returns a gift. Jaime learns from his mistakes.

Please avoid discussing leaks and production details for Seasons 7 and 8 but speculate away on what we have learnt from the new episodes and what it might mean for the rest of the Season and the ultimate winner(s) of the Game of Thrones

Can I de-lurk?

I was really relieved by the way the sand snakes were killed - it was horrible, but I was expecting some really awful, gratuitous Cersei ordered rapeyness/torture from the Mountain. The kissing poison didn't look too bad a way to die as GOT deaths go - you basically get a nose bleed and then collapse.

I was hoping Arya would go to Kings Landing, not Winterfell. She needs to sort Cersei out if she wants to keep her family safe.
Aryaunderfoot: I am hoping for "Jamie" to kill Cersei, then rip off his face to reveal Arya!

When Bran appeared at the gate, I thought "oh good he can back up Jon's white walker story so more people believe it". But no. He has to speak in mad sounding riddles that no-one will find credulous.

I've been thinking about Bran's 'performance' in the last episode...

I hadn't realised until I read it on another forum that GRRM is a fan of Alan Moore (writer of Watchment - my all time favourite film). I thought the Dr Branhatten thing was just a funny coincidence.

There's even an astrolabe...

Wrong line!

The dialogue was really off,

both the "finger up the bum" and "twat" comments jarred massively. I know GOT is fantasy and therefore timeless but it stil sounded way too contemporary.

I really hope GOT doesnt become a caricature of itself- this season feels a bit slapdash

Really hope Yara doesnt get killed. Thought it was her hanged from the bow at the end of last time.

Arya needs to come back and kick ass

This must have been talked about before but I've only just realised who Tyrions accent reminds me of. He HAS to be basing it on Victor Meldrew right? The penny dropped when he was talking to Jon on the cliff top.

Can we just back the fuck up here?

Denny is sterile? is that true?

I'm putting my money on Jaime killing Cersei by strangling her.

In ep 2 when they're standing on her big map floor painting, she's standing on the 'Neck' whilst he's just off the coast of the 'Fingers' (stole this from someone else online - not my own theory, as much as I wish I'd figured it out!)

www.chicagonow.com/cinnamon-twists/files/2017/07/cersei-map.jpg

Just looked up Maggy's prophecy from the book and the whole strangling thing isn't even new. There must be so much from the books I've completely forgotten!

How booksy are we getting on these threads? Or are we sticking to the telly stuff now we've entered untold territories?

Denny is sterile? is that true?
Yes she is but I can't remember why. Didn't she get attacked while carrying Drogo's baby? Lost the baby and her womb or something hence being the mother of dragons is so important to her.

How booksy are we getting on these threads?

Regardless of altered plots and botched characters, I still think the ending is roughly going to match that of the books. It means some characters taking short-cuts, but I think they'll get there in the end (whether it makes sense in showiverse is another matter).

Some book prophecies and foreshadowing are still going to be important:

• Maggy the Frog
• House of the Undying
• Patchface (the ones that aren't just too damn random)
• Melissandre's visions in the flames
• The Ghost of High Heart
• Quaithe
• Bran's visions

Lots of these have been changed by the show or left out entirely. I still think they are quite important for predicting where the story's going.

I'm actually more convinced (based on GRRM's latest interview) that Jon is sterile rather than Dany.

Dany's apparent sterility is based on an ambiguous prophecy from revengey witchy woman. Dany definitely believes she can't have another child, much like Macbeth believed that Birnham Wood would never come to Dunsinane and he was safe from "men not of woman born"

Cheers guys. I had totally missed the Denny sterile thing.

If that's true that is a major major issue. I can't see her sitting on the throne now tbh.

Well Jon is "king" in the north despite being "voted" into the role, maybe Dany will be "queen" but via democracy - making a heir less vital?

I am nicking schrodinger/littlefinger and mushing it into schrofinger, btw

Dani is not sterile but after her stillbirth and loosing drogo, mirri maz duur prophesied:
"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."

Obviously she has taken this to mean she can't have children as all of that seems impossible. But obviously this is GOT so open to interpretation. Sun rising in the west could mean house martell rising up in westeros, (can't remember the east reference), the dry sea is crossing the dothraki sea, the mountain might be Gregor clegane etc. She may yet have a child

I thought the conversation between Melisandre and Varys was very revealing and Mel definitely seems to know more of what will happen than she is letting on. Will she return to sacrifice herself to atone for her past mistakes?

Plus, Dany was shagging whats-his-chops and the bloke she was married to for a bit, and nowt happened, so I reckon she probably is infertile....

...which does rather raise the question, what comes next? I wonder if she will have a convenient pregnancy at some point.

I'm not convinced anyone will sit on the Iron Throne. I think the war between the dragons and white walkers and 'the long night' will kill just about everyone and westeros will be all post-apocalyptic....I suspect (and this is pure speculation) that this series will be pretty much Dany taking control of the Iron Throne, with the next and final series being the white walkers.

Martin had told the showrunners how his books will end so we can assume that even if some characters have different stories/not in it the basic end of story will be the same.

He's also mentioned that he sees his ending as quite bittersweet LOTR- style.

I'll take it to mean even if there is a 'happy' ending there will be the sense that the world has changed forever and the past has truly gone and everyone will be all nostalgic and trying to find the Grey Havens?
Meanwhile Arwen will be wandering through the woods mourning her lost love and never finding peace until the end of time?

Disclaimer: I read LOTR age 12 and the awful (as in utterly sad) epilogue is the reason I have a melancholy nature.
It killed me.

Plus, Dany was shagging whats-his-chops and the bloke she was married to for a bit, and nowt happened, so I reckon she probably is infertile....

In the last chapter of the books her period returns (she hasn't had one since before baby). Some fans reckon this may actually be a miscarriage. But this is where the books and the show differ

Ooh I must have missed that bit Christmas...that's interesting.

Did anyone notice Cersei's handmaiden, she had short hair and a black dress a la Cersei. It's the tiny details I love looking out for.
You just knew when Cersei gave her spiel about paying back the debt to The Iron Bank that it's all going to go horribly wrong

The showmakers wanted to go for the Roman look with the Red Keep costumes this year. Unfortunately, the intern mis-read the emails and decided to go foo Romulan instead.

It is known...

Am I the only one loving the black costumes, it's so forboding and sort of telling how everyone is feeling.

Foreboding*