Anyone watching Madeleine McCann ten years on?

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They're framing it slightly differently now.. 😧 interesting from the bbc...

I never mentioned ss. The files I'm referring too are the Portuguese and British police and forensic files

DoI -Have you even read the thread? Leaving them in the apartment has been discussed extensively over 700+ posts.

We were staying in the Algarve around this time. I cannot remember whether it was before or after the disappearance of MMC. We were also staying in a resort and twice during our stay we had men call to our door saying they were collecting for 'poor children in the area.' It was so obvious it was a scam. As soon as we opened our door they gave a quick speech while very obviously scoping out the apartment. They didn't even make eye contact as they were looking beyond us. It was so obvious. We called security after each visit.

I heard similar stories while there.

I am sooooo sick of hearing about those files online. The Portuguese files that date from when she went missing, so 2007? If their conclusion was accurate why would the British police now be investigating and not just reinforcing what they found? The stuff there has been superseded surely?

never mentioned ss. The files I'm referring too are the Portuguese and British police and forensic files

You said they hadn't been investigated for leaving the children alone.
You have now been informed that you are mistaken. They have been 'investigated' and the files on not online because our SS do not publish their files for gawpers to drool over.

Although I expect that has something to do with MC's friends in high places rather than data protection or British Law or anything as mundane as that hey?

Who raked in the most money from all this?

Amaral or the Fund?

Always follow the money. Always,

It's a bit strange how the PJ have been gunning for the McCanns, made them arguidos, concentrated their entire investigation around them - yet have never found a shred of conclusive evidence that can build a case against them?

I mean, police forces of two countries have been looking at this for 10 years now- yet no credible evidence against the McCanns has been found to even get them charged - let alone to court.

BUT - Only the conspiracy theorists on t'interweb know the "truth"

How can anyone possibly be under the impression that nobody's answered whether leaving the kids was ok? Everyone's answered that. There are probably little green men on Mars and as yet uncontacted Amazonian rainforest villages who've weighed in on the matter.

I think that's actually thicker than the posts claiming that the Portugese police are just waiting for insights from the university of google brigade. Never has the phrase read the fucking thread felt so apt.

Oh sorry - I forgot - I'm a 'sheep.'

Interweb sleuthing should actually replace all the police forces in the world, because they're clearly better at police work than them.

Because they can just read the "PJ files" and crack the case.

It will never be solved. The child is gone.

But money as said above is an issue, or maybe sueing the pants off each other is an echo chamber.

Maybe now Mcs have lost the big fight with Amaral, there is freedom to speak out.

But is there anything to say really? That's why I wonder about all the lawsuits Mcs undertook. Why was that?

How do you know tha,t susan? They're now pretty certain they know what happened to poor Ben Needham 20 years on. Someone knew, someone told.

God, I feel for these parents. They are scrutinised beyond endurance.

Shoes,

I don't know for certain no one does. But sometimes discretion is the better part of valour.

Like the Needhams. I don't recall them writing books and sueing everyone left right and centre for having an opinion. Was a different time OK, before social media and all that but still, they kept their dignity.

But their child has still not been found yet either.

But as you say hope springs eternal.

Kerry Needham has written a book about Ben.

She (thankfully) never needed to sue anybody because there wasn't the massive amount of vitriol against her that the McCanns have suffered.

Oh, and the McCann's haven't sued anybody for 'having an opinion' - they have sued for defamation and libel. One such case was on UK newspapers saying they sedated the children (when it was calpol), another, obviously Amaral and his "book". Funny how Amaral could neither keep his job, or get a case built against them, isn't it?

Susan your post at 22:44 is literally bonkers.

Discretion is the better part of valour? What are you on about? Stay silent and hope someone returns your kid one day?

And KN did write a book and didn't sue anyone and somehow that's better but she still doesn't have her child so it isn't?

Portugal has only once convicted anyone of murder without a body. In fact the one and only case is very contraversial, it was headed by none other than Gonçalo Amaral. It has actually been linked to Madeleine's case.
Going after another parent/family conviction, without a body was probably not going to happen or be allowed to happen folowing such controversy.

No credible evidence has been found for anything at all. The only thing that is certain is she is missing and that's it. The MET investigation is turning up nothing other than a man that had been living under a rock since 2007 and was carrying his child home from the creche. It is possible that the Smith sighting could be another man carrying his own child, if there's one dumb idiot out there, it's likely there's another.
Other than that apparent sighting, she wasn't seen by anyone. We were told she was abducted by someone who climbed in through the window, but there's as much evidence for that as there is for the Mccann's being responsible. In other words, none.

From the panorama programme:

The first job of the Met Police team was to assess the parents.

Simon Foy, Met Police: "even from the first glance, when we looked at verified statements it was perfectly clear to us that the McCanns themselves had nothing to so do with their daughter's disappearance."

Interviewer: "why?"

Simon Foy: " Because it was just obvious that everything stacked up, and they were where they were when the child went missing."

Why do people argue with this? Think they know better?

My child had colic. If I heard a child crying for a lengthy period of time it wouldn't raise alarm bells

Not comparable. A baby crying for a long time is a different kettle of fish from an articulate three year old. And you would normally expect to hear some sounds of an adult trying to comfort the child, bring them a drink, maybe call for assistance - so if you hear the crying going on and on without that, most people would at least mention it to Reception.

Unless, of course, the truth is that the crying actually didn't go on for very long at all.

Ceto how can you possible know that no member of the general public has spotted something in the files and been able to provide assistance?

Because she hasn't been found, nor has there been a smidgen of a suggestion that any clue has emerged that gets even close to that. Surely that's pretty obvious?

I also notice that, despite your obsessive interest in the files, PortCheese, you don't claim to have come up with the definitive clue. So why not do something more useful with your life?

Just caught up with the whole thread.

For me, this exchange in particular stood out:

Susan 22.44: sometimes discretion is the better part of valour.

Like the Needhams. I don't recall them writing books and sueing eveftryone left right and centre for having an opinion. Was a different time OK, before social media and all that but still, they kept their dignity.

Neof 23.00: Susan your post at 22:44 is literally bonkers.

Discretion is the better part of valour? What are you on about? Stay silent and hope someone returns your kid one day?

Agree 100% with the latter. Frankly, if my daughter was missing, keeping "dignity", would be the last thing on my mind as opposed to doing literally everything possible in my power to try and find my child.

This is what I took from the Panorama programme: the Portuguese police and tourism industry did everything they could to keep quiet about and cover up crime in the resort. Even when Madeleine disappeared they refused to admit (even to themselves) what had been happening and so ignored major clues. Blaming the Mcanns enabled them to continue this whitewashing of crime on the Algarve and to an extent you could say that policy worked well judging the reaction of locals interviewed at the start of the programme. Understandably the MCanns were dismayed by this response and have since done everything in their power to keep the investigation going and look for their daughter and try to find out what happened on that night. With Amaral off the case the Portuguese police do appear to appear to be back on board, but the damage is done and I thought the British policewoman (Susan Hill?) summed it up well at the end of the programme when she said that after ten years realistically it was unlikely anymore could be done and the only way the case was likely to be solved now was by someone eventually coming forward and telling the truth (which is pretty much what happened in the Ben Needham case in the end). If the Portuguese investigation proved anything, it was that the Mcanns didn't do it - because it seems to me that that was the one (only) strand that was fully investigated at the time. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who adopt the "no smoke without fire approach" which is why the Mcanns have faced such hostility, resistance and criticism for their own investigation.

Perfectly sums up how I feel Lillian. What an articulate, sensible post.

Totally agree re Kerry Needham too, different times which make it both better and worse in many ways. I think that the real reason will eventually come to light but it may be many years away.

I worry about what will happen to KN if/when they find out what happened to her little boy.
We are indeed in different times now.
I can imagine a huge and nasty backlash as the trolls and tin foil hatters crawl out of the virtual woodwork.
That little boy went missing pre social media. That is the only reason they have largely escaped the craziness.

I wouldn't worry about that Mrs DV. All the weird trolly types seem to have Ben Needham and his family as the stick to beat the Mccanns with. How dignified Kerry is, how they didn't get the same attention etc. I think there would be some warped gloating going on in weird world.