Anyone watching Madeleine McCann ten years on?

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They're framing it slightly differently now.. 😧 interesting from the bbc...

I think the reason suggested was that the patio doors could be seen from the restaurant wasn't it?

I think the half hour checking also wasn't necessarily correct either, as she was crying for an hour and a half the previous night wasn't she?

The McCanns went on holiday with friends and put their children in childcare for the majority of the daytime and went out for dinner with friends in the evening and left their children in bed. If this doesn't tie in with your idea of a family holiday then their behaviour may well appear weird and suspicious to you.

Wasn't it suggested by GMC that an abductor may have been in the room standing behind the door when he checked on his children. Tbh I have watched so many theories since the documentary was shown last week that I'm confused over who said what. But I think that was another theory put forward by the parents. Sadly I don't think anyone will ever know what happened to Madeleine. But I can understand the parents clinging to any hope and some missing children have returned home after a longer period of time.

I think it was one of their friends who checked the apartment the time before KM and they didn't actually go into the bedroom, just checked that their wasn't any noise. So there could have been someone in the apartment at that point. Although no evidence.

The McCanns went on holiday with friends and put their children in childcare for the majority of the daytime That's the whole point of Mark Warner holidays isn't it? You surely can't judge them for using holidays clubs - thousands of families use them, lots of kids enjoy them, many people book their holidays on the basis that there will be kids clubs. You might not use them, but that doesn't mean there is something intrinsically wrong with them or something weird about people who use them.

Agreed, there are lots of theories and no one knows the truth so shouldn't be dismissive of anything. I've noticed those dismissing anything but the mcann's truth do so without a shred of evidence and are awfully rude too. There is just no need.

All based on a pained look on KM's face. Let's do away with our justice system and only prosecute offenders based on whether they have a pained look or not

The McCanns went on holiday with friends and put their children in childcare for the majority of the daytime

The poster wasn't judging, just sharing fact.

Wasn't it suggested by GMC that an abductor may have been in the room standing behind the door when he checked on his children

Yes I'm sure he said himself that he felt a 'presence' in the room. This always confused me because if you felt someone was there who wasn't supposed to be, it doesn't take much to check behind the door. Even just for peace of mind. Not just walk away and leave your 3 very young children at risk like that.

This always confused me because if you felt someone was there who wasn't supposed to be, it doesn't take much to check behind the door.

Agreee. Especially when you allow the next check to be carried out by a friend who only peeps in from the patio door (he told GM this upon his return to the dinner table).

they didn't actually go into the bedroom Isn't this how a hotel baby listening service works? The hotel don't have someone sitting in the room with the kids - they just listen out for crying babies. This is why I can't get too worked up about them leaving the kids. They were staying in what they thought was a safe, family-friendly holiday resort - they thought they were carrying out their own baby-listening service. I wonder if any hotels still offer such services and whether anyone would actually trust one now.

But the crying for over an hour the night before would surely make you think that maybe leaving your kids the next night might not be the best idea?

The poster was judging Portcheese - the conclusion to their post is If this doesn't tie in with your idea of a family holiday then their behaviour may well appear weird and suspicious to you. It doesn't tie in with my idea of a family holiday as it happens, but their behaviour doesn't appear weird and suspicious at all - it is the normal behaviour of many, many families on holiday.

Yes I thought he had said that Delete
I also read about road works or developments happening in the area and that they where filled in the morning after Madeleine was reported missing. Which is interesting and sad obviously, if she had gone off to look for her parents she could have met with a tragic accident. But that theory has been discounted.

Isn't this how a hotel baby listening service works?

They were not using that service as it didn't exist at that particular complex.

Even if they were, if a parent had a feeling there might be someone in the room with his children I doubt the listening from the door would continue.

The poster was judging Portcheese

I disagree.

What would have made think leaving their kids was not a good idea was the fact that there had been several break-ins at those appartments in the previous weeks - unfortunately no one wanted to share that information.

I wasn't judging, sorry if it came across that way. I was trying to point out that different parents do different things. Some people may judge the McCanns on how they conducted themselves both before and after she went missing because it doesn't match with their idea of being a parent.

But, just because you don't like them or agree with their parenting, it doesn't mean that they are guilty of involvement in her disappearance.

Lillian I doubt that anyone knows about things like that when they go on holiday. Unless there are holidaymakers who were there at the time and pass the news on to newcomers.

Lillian I agree with many of your posts on this subject, it's clear you have a lot of compassion and I feel similar to you. Just on the point of leaving the children, I wouldn't leave mine, regardless of how safe or indeed unsafe a resort may be. I was left as a child and came to no harm, thankfully. That doesn't mean that I judge the McCanns.

Any adult with an ounce of common sense shouldn't need to know about possible break-ins to understand that it is wrong to leave three kids with a combined age of less than seven, alone, in the dark, in an unlocked apartment, out of eyesight, out of earshot for periods of at least 30minutes at a time, night after night.

They didn't use a baby listening service, they did what these devices do, patrol outside rooms and check at regular intervals.

I am not defending or accusing, just saying.

Is baby listening an extra cost?

Just wondering why someone (anyone, not necessarily in this example) would choose to do the same thing themselves, interrupting their night when someone else could do the same thing?

The amount of posts on here dismissing any wrongdoing based on the 'pained look on Kate's face' is sheer ignorance and not in any way helpful to that little girl.

Whereas you and others indulging yourselves with little asides about how things are odd, and suspicious, and you'd have done X based on your experiences with your niece, and lots of ...s for dramatic effect are being oh so useful?

Honestly, reading some of your posts portcheese, you seem to think you and your fellow ghoul squad are actually helping? You're not. You're just amusing yourselves. It's sickening to watch, and won't be any less so if it does turn out the parents did it. There is nothing of value in any of this.

And for the record, I've actually read the PJ files a few years back. Didn't lead me to delude myself into thinking that I'm some armchair detective, or that I'm qualified to assess what's normal and what's suspicious in these circumstances. So that's no excuse.

I wouldn't have left them either - I was the sort of paranoid mum who never took my eyes off them at that age. But I don't judge them, I don't think they 'got what they deserved', I don't think they should be prosecuted for leaving them, and I don't think they did what Amaral says they did.

I wouldn't leave my kids either Maudlin - I don't think any would leave their kids now, mine are a similar age to the Mcann's and an wouldn't have left them then either. But I can understand how their thinking might have gone and why they came to the (wrong) conclusion that it would be OK. I think Mark Warner should have told them (and indeed all their clients) about the break-ins when they arrived and warned people to lock their doors and not leave valuables lying around. I think if there is a conspiracy here it is a conspiracy to cover this up - both before Madeleine disappeared and afterwards when police refused to consider the shutters might have been forced. They said it was impossible despite knowing that that is exactly what had happened on three previous occasions. Surely the forced shutters are fundamental to whatever happened next. To those who ask why would burglars force the shutters if the patio door was open I would say they probably didn't realise the door was open - they just used the same mode of entry as in previous burglaries. They may not have gone in - they may have seen the children and fled - who knows. It would have been helpful if the police had investigate at the time rather than refusing to countenance the possibility that the shutters could have been forced (as seemed t be suggested by the documentary).

I wouldn't have, it's a pretty alien concept to me and I was surprised to hear at the time that so many people did it. It just surprises me that the issue of leaving them attracts so much attention a decade on. It must be obvious that a lot of people really didn't like it, but enough others did it even in preceding decades to make baby listening services and the like a thing? Doesn't seem much more to say than that.