Anyone watching Madeleine McCann ten years on?

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They're framing it slightly differently now.. 😧 interesting from the bbc...

The following day we saw Kate McCann when she came to collect the twins from the creche at lunchtime

... the day after MM went missing.

With a paedophile ring in the vicinity snatching children.

I imagine they had a lot to do, trying to organise the media to find Maddie since the police were doing so little.
Plus they would have needed time to talk/cry etc without the twins there. Then put on a brave face for them once they came back

Surely they'd have been surrounded by police, liaison officers and their 7 friends? And want their children in sight.

www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm

Files are here if anyone would like a look.

Why do you think it's suspicious to put the twins into the creche? They were familiar with it. What did you want her to do - keep them in the apartment with her, with police and everyone else there? I imagine she wanted to keep them away from the trauma of what was going on for as long as possible. Keep a sense of normality for them. They were hardly going to get abducted from the creche.

I tried to find the the quote but can't yet, it states that the crèche was particularly quiet the next day due to understandably worried parents wanting to keep their kids with them. It brought me back to KM instantly believing MM had been abducted and leaving the twins in the same room she was abducted from, in what for all she knew could have been seconds earlier so the abductors still nearby, to go and alert the others.

Again I know it's impossible to put yourself in their situation and there will be counter argument for everything.

What does that mean Chavelita?

I can't figure out how the twins slept through the mayhem when all and sundry were traipsing through the apartment after KMC raised the alert.

Oh and she went flying back to the restaurant too, leaving the twins after having said that "she has been taken".

I am not making any judgments yet, much of the reaction could have been shock and so on, but there are lot of holes in the story IMV.

There are a lot of holes in a lot of stories, because life isn't perfect, the police aren't perfect, recall isn't perfect, reactions aren't always rational.

One such example is Michael and Lindy Chamberlain - who also didn't act as the police/media/public expected, and considered their story not to add up. She was accused of cutting her baby's throat and hiding the body in a camera case. The truth was, as Lindy Chamberlain shouted on the night, "that dingo's got my baby".

Obviously - that ^ story existing doesn't make the McCann's story true - we don't know. But there are surprising similarities. I believe the McCanns.

I can't figure out how the twins slept through the mayhem

I can. When DS was that age, in certain stages of his sleep cycle he could sleep through virtually anything.

The problem with this case is that it's turned into such a cottage industry in its own right that it's turned every nosey silly cunt with an internet connection into a top detective in their own heads

This.

People busily hunting out and posting links might like to reflect on it.

It is a mystery.

That is why there is so much confusion and speculation about things. It is inevitable.

When my friends husband died suddenly she put her kids to school the next day, to keep things as normal as possible for them, I don't see any issue with the McCanns doing the same.

I believe them too shoes and agree there are chilling similarities with the dingo case where everyone immediately suspected the parents and I think it took several years to get to the truth

Putting the twins in the crèche seems to me to be entirely understandable. The parents were distraught, the twins were far too young to understand what had happened - taking them to a familiar place where they could be cared for as part of their usual routine would have been the best thing all round. Other people keeping their kids away is also entirely understandable - they weren't in full possession of the facts, knew a child had disappeared and had the very natural reaction (as I'm sure most of us did at the time) to hold their children close. The Mcanns didn't have that luxury - they had to search for Madeleine, talk to police, they needed to know there little ones were in safe hands away from all the confusion, alarm and distress. In fact they were lucky in that respect that the twins were already settled at the crèche and they had somewhere to take them - have you ever tried dealing with bad news or organising a funeral with small children to care for (I've never been in the Mcanns position obviously - I'm trying to think of a nearest equivalent situation of being too distracted by grief to give full attention to my dcs)?

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I also find it astonishing that anyone would use the fact of KM calling for help against her. She had searched the apartment, couldn't find Madeleine, she was frantic - in that way you are when you lose sight of your toddler even for a few seconds in the supermarket and leave your baby unattended in the trolley for a few short seconds and dash into the next aisle shouting their name. I wonder if some people on this thread actually have kids - it's the only way to explain the complete lack of empathy in a situation like that. That you could calmly sit at your computer and think - well in that situation I would have taken both twins before running outside to call for help or perhaps I would have calmly taken my phone and made a phone call. You have no idea what you would have done - none of us do - but I don't find it in the least bit difficult to understand why she might have done what she did.

Watched this on catch up yesterday. We have been to the Algarve many, many times - the first time a few weeks after Madeleine McCann disappeared.

I think the "the parents did it" stance was thoroughly discredited - there is not one scrap of evidence against either of them. People bleat on about the hire car, but it wasn't hired for weeks after the child vanished and as someone on the documentary pointed out, are we really supposed to believe that they managed to hide a body for weeks and then dispose of it in a recently hired car, while the world's media are watching them? None of it stacks up at all. There was also debunking of statements like the shutters not being able to be opened from the outside, perhaps true if they're fully shut, but the guy showed how easy they were to open.

I don't think we'll ever have answers, unfortunately. That first year we were in Portugal there were pictures of Madeleine everywhere - from the moment we landed in Faro to everywhere else on the Algarve we saw her face. Over the years the posters disappeared and I get the impression the Portuguese want to move on and they don't want the Algarve associated with a missing child. Understandable - it's a lovely part of the world and great for family holidays.

What gets my goat most is the keyboard warriors who have this amazing insight into how they would react and what they would do in the same situation. Unless you've been there, you don't know. In a crisis I'm uber-calm. I don't flap, don't cry, I become very matter of fact and it's only once the situation is resolved that it all hits you and the emotions come out. Expectations that everyone sgould be wailing and screaming are just wrong - everyone is different and it's awful to throw accusations at the parents that their reaction was in some way wrong.

PortCheese I think it is perfectly understandable to jump to someone has take her scenario when presented with what Kate McCann was. A child missing and window and shutters open that had previously been closed. Years ago my toddler went missing on a ferry. I turned my back to help her sister for a minute and she was gone. She wasn't the type to wander off and even though the most logical explanation was that she had my reaction as I searched the ferry for her was that someone had taken her and hidden her in a cabin. Completely irrational the child had wandered off and was found on the floor above. I had no reason at all to jump to an abduction theory but in my panic that was all I could think "someone has taken her" so I completely understand why Kate did.

As for going to mass, again that is so normal to me as an Irish (now non practicing) catholic. Whenever things go wrong, people are worried etc many many go straight to mass or the local priest for comfort. I mentioned up thread that when I was a child a little boy in our area went missing and has never been found. His parents sought complete solace in the Church in the days and years after he went missing. So no surprise this is what the McCanns needed to do.

I have not followed the case or know much more then what has been reported on national news channels but I think the scrutiny of their behaviour after Madeline went missing unfair. I have yet to see or hear anything they did after she went missing to raise any suspicions. Whether they were involved or not I don't know but for me there is zero evidence to suggest they were

The conspiracy theorists on here constantly rake up old police files trawled from the internet - reports from a police inquiry which amongst other things immediately ruled out the possibility of a break-in despite numerous break-ins via forced shutters in recent weeks and failed to seize cuddle cat as evidence even though Madeleine was known to have had it with her in bed, an inquiry which was conducted and directed by a man who was subsequently sacked and demoted. To support their case they point to the Mcanns not being distraught enough, going to church too much and not acting in a way that people who have lost a child would be expected to behave. Oh and of course because it was their fault in the first place because they left her alone so they must have done it.

The conspiracy theorists on here constantly rake up old police files trawled from the internet

Why are people who are examining police files in the hope they can spot something, recognise a name/number - with the goal of helping to find MM - conspiracy theorists?

The mcanns don't know what happened to her, the police don't, all we have are theories. None of them conspiracies.

I notice those jumping to defend the 'conspiracy theories' never ever use actual fact quotes from factual police files though, it's always opinion and 'well if I was her... if it were my toddler'. It can be useful to share that kind of information but I don't see how you think your helping by blindly defending something no one knows to be true.

as I searched the ferry for her KM had only checked the room, not searched the surrounding area, not even checking up and down the road outside the apartment.

My point is not that it's unusual to jump to that conclusion, as I said it's almost a certainty it would cross your mind. But to accept it before searching outside the apartment first I find odd.

Like I say, her going back to GM and friends to say she'd been taken could be the difference between MM being on the road outside and walking off for another 5-10 minutes. If there was a paedophile snatcher, it's also leaving the twins alone.

They obviously don't have to explain these things but wouldn't you if it would help assist in the search for your daughter?

When my friends husband died suddenly she put her kids to school the next day

This would only be comparable if your friend believed there was a crazed killer still nearby and did the same.

I said on the other thread, two conspiracy theories that have equal proof as any other theory are:

1. Aliens
2. She wasn't in the apartment at that time already

The whole point is there is no proof. No evidence of anything. And yes that could be because of shoddy police work, alternatively maybe there just wasn't any evidence there by the time the scene had been contaminated by everyone

I don't take the McCanns behaviour as proof of anything, nor do I judge them going to church or leaving the twins in daycare. I can understand all of that.

But the fact remains there is no more proof of a burgular or abductor than there is that the parents were involved.

Also iirc (it's from memory, it could be wrong) no one said the shutters couldn't be opened, just that there was no evidence of them being forced. Which there wouldn't be if they can be opened easily from the outside.

But again, why would a burgular or intentional abductor go through the window when they must have seen the apartment being checked every half hour and been able to see the door was unlocked. They may well have done this, I just think it's weird.

Some keyboard warriors will do their best to cast aspersions on a couple whose child has gone missing. Why what do they get out of it?