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Anyone watching Madeleine McCann ten years on?

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spottysuperted · 03/05/2017 21:17

They're framing it slightly differently now.. 😧 interesting from the bbc...

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MissShittyBennet · 09/05/2017 14:54

Having googled that, stupid as balls but at least culturally appropriate I suppose. Like, it's the right religion at least. The Freemasons stuff just makes me want to tell people to choose the appropriate negative stereotype for the person they're demonising. Do some research, commit to it. Accuse them of being in league with the Pope or something!

Maudlinmaud · 09/05/2017 15:02

Chavelita no idea but she pretty generous with her money, she also sold st martins magazines if anyone remembers those Grin

Emphasise · 09/05/2017 17:48

Doesn't experience tell up that many of the over wrought emotional displays are given by parents of children who were involved in their children's disappearance? Being quietly stunned and hating having to deal with the cameras, but knowing it has to be done, seems much more "normal" to me.

NotYoda · 09/05/2017 18:51

LilianGish

I agree and said so upthread. It's the diffusion of responsibilty

PortCheese · 09/05/2017 21:13

The lawyer for the defence says he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds.

GM's interview. Odd how this is only mentioned AFTER the dogs find blood in the apartment.

MissShittyBennet · 09/05/2017 21:16

Is it?

PortCheese · 09/05/2017 21:24

Then he closed the external blinds, made his way to the outside and tried to open them, which he managed to do, much to his surprise given that he thought that that was only possible from the inside

GM's statement. He had literally just arrived back at the apartment where his daughter had gone missing from (and could still be inside of) - this seems an unusual thing to do.

PortCheese · 09/05/2017 21:37

Again matching antenna records to memory suggests that by the time he gave the handset to the PJ the records of 24 calls or SMSs had been erased, including the one from him found on his wifes handset and timed at 23.17 on Thursday 3rd May 2007. It appears that he had deleted details of the four calls he made to her that night and she deleted just three.

Why?

PortCheese · 09/05/2017 21:38

I know it's impossible to put yourself in their situation but if the whole world wanted to find your missing daughter, wouldn't you help clear things up like that?

StealthPolarBear · 09/05/2017 21:51

After a certain length of time will they have to have her declared dead?

ShoesHaveSouls · 09/05/2017 21:58

None of us know how we would react in that situation until it happens to us - But trying the shutters would (for me) be a normal thing to do. To see if they could be opened from the outside - ie. could someone have made their way into the apartment that way.

Kate McCann (going by her words) immediately thought of abduction because the shutters were up and the window open - but they had left them both closed. If that was me, I can imagine my husband checking to see if they could be opened from the outside. Because to find their daughter, they had to find out how she had gone missing - and the PJ were saying she had just wandered off.

NameyMcNamechangechange · 09/05/2017 22:06

portcheese Shock

Rach6l · 09/05/2017 22:23

Maybe mm opened them & fell out? Random theory

Alec so one of the babies had a bug & they left it alone? Confused what about choking on vomit or just being covered in vomit. Or staying in a nappy with diarrhea ConfusedConfused Not many parents would leave a child like that.

Just goes to emphasise the pack mentality of must go out to drink without the children

AlecTrevelyan006 · 09/05/2017 22:35

Yep - all of the group had equally bad parenting skills but the others have largely been ignored because none of their kids went missing.

PortCheese · 09/05/2017 22:39

Based on the facts we have of MM - she is very confident, outgoing, chatty, she had a habit of waking after being put down to sleep and going to find her parents, the twins had previously woken her crying on at least two nights that week and knowing the patio door was left unlocked:

If it were me and my niece, and she does sound an awful lot like my niece which is why I'm comparing it, my first thought would be she had wandered off to find me.

Yet we know KM's first thought was she had been 'abducted' and then there are the following two entries taken from two separate witnesses who overheard GM on the phone a couple of hours after MM's disappearance:

Mr McCann was absolutely distraught telling the person receiving the call that he feared 'she (Madeleine McCann) had been taken by paedophiles'.

And from a separate witness:

He said something along the lines of there being Paedophile gangs in Portugal and that they had abducted Madeleine. I was so shocked by this, having originally thought that she had just wandered off.

PortiaCastis · 09/05/2017 22:42

Armchair detectives don't know anything for sure and need to be careful not to libel

ShoesHaveSouls · 09/05/2017 22:46

The reason they didn't think she'd wandered off is that a 3 year old wouldn't have been able to open the shutters. Also, if she'd wandered off, don't you think she'd have been found? She would have likely walked down to the area her parents were surely - ie. the clubhouse/pool/restaurant etc. They had people searching for her - loads of people from the resort, police, searching the area as soon as the alarm was raised.

raspberrysuicide · 09/05/2017 22:47

I'm sure I read in Kate's book that both Maddie and the twins were reay good sleepers and rarely if ever woke up after being put to bed.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 09/05/2017 22:48

Well, fortunately McCanns lost their libel case against a real detective and since then the British media have been reporting many things they previously avoided and allowed a more open debate on their forums.

And as I always say, anyone with an interest on this case, and a few spare hours should familiarise themselves with the information released by the PJ - it's very easy to find on the web.

PortCheese · 09/05/2017 22:51

It's all in the police files. She could have wandered off through the open patio door which was opened at 21:30 by their friend Matt. Not unreasonable to think MM heard/watched him and followed him out.

There are of course cases of children wandering off and not being found, one obvious recent one.

The police files confirm that MM had woken two nights previously that week, one she informed her parents of the next morning and the other she got into bed with KM - both because the twins were crying and woke her. She also had a star chart for sleeping as she went through a long period of waking and going to find her parents after she'd been put to bed.

Beingrippedoff · 09/05/2017 22:53

portcheese but there are/were paedophile rings so why is that so unusual that Gerry was worried that was what happened? He'd already worked out blinds could be opened from outside, Maddie missing, who else would have taken her??

PortCheese · 09/05/2017 22:54

the information released by the PJ - it's very easy to find on the web exactly!

And was done so in the hope of it helping to find MM. I think that is much more useful than people blindly following what they've been told by the mcanns or press. The amount of posts on here dismissing any wrongdoing based on the 'pained look on Kate's face' is sheer ignorance and not in any way helpful to that little girl.

PortCheese · 09/05/2017 22:56

who else would have taken her??

Anyone else?

It's the fact that this was two hours later. She could still be wandering around the grounds lost. He wasn't speculating 'what if she has been taken? What if it's paedophiles? I've heard there is a ring in the area'. It was more matter of fact, 'she has been taken by paedophiles'.

ShoesHaveSouls · 09/05/2017 22:59

Well, it's every parent's worst nightmare isn't it? There are paedophiles who abduct children. It would certainly cross my mind - the panic would be unimaginable.

Beingrippedoff · 09/05/2017 23:02

I agree shoes there's no plausible reason for anyone else to have taken her!

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