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LOD Series 4 Big Fellas and Wee Girls-this way, we need to look further Ifield.

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FeralBeryl · 23/04/2017 22:25

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EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 25/04/2017 13:44

I haven't got that far rewatching Dubious thanks.

Wow from looking it up, what I can find is that they're employed by the Police, but apart from having ranks like FO, SFO and in Tim's case Coordinator, I can't seem to find any ranking akin to police officers and detectives to demonstrate how senior they'd be regarded as.

Tim doesn't wear any kind of uniform with clues to a rank on it, but he does wear Police ID and the back of his jacket has Police Forensics on it, so I was just trying to sort it out in my own mind.

Sorry to be like a dog with a bone, I'm not even sure if it's pertinent or not, but the relationship just struck me as odd. I thought it strange that Roz knew where Ifield lived, would she be able to find out that information from home?

Whywaitfortomorrow · 25/04/2017 13:48

Dubious to me it came across as her pulling rank and putting him in his place?He wanted to sort out in the office but she wanted to do there and then.

oldmum22 · 25/04/2017 13:50

Is Hilton (ACC) a baddie or a letch ? Trying it on with Roz and offering info about AC12 in exchange for a shag ? Getting Maneet to download stuff,what does he have on her ?

DubiousCredentials · 25/04/2017 14:03

Yes she was def pulling rank. I was just citing it as evidence that she was technically his superior as it had been queried on here.

wowfudge · 25/04/2017 14:12

I stand corrected then - I thought she was felt he was undermining her by the way he was going about challenging things rather than she was trying to pull rank.

OutToGetYou · 25/04/2017 14:49

"I thought it strange that Roz knew where Ifield lived, would she be able to find out that information from home?"

This seems to happen in all the series, they're all forever popping to each other's houses. But it does seem odd that she knew right off the top of her head, without her phone, where his flat was, so she could direct a taxi to it.

MarilynWhirlwindRocks · 25/04/2017 14:57

Well, all I can say is that AC-12 would be far more rapidly "sucking diesel", were they to recruit some of you regulars on this thread!

Truly, you're all deserving of some sort of honorary recognition for methodical diligence. Shock

And, having missed the first 3 series you've kept me (and many other newcomers, no doubt) in the loop as to past characters & plot lines.

Star Star Star

EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 25/04/2017 15:00

I saw it that Ifield was aggrieved that Roz didn't seem to acknowledge his expertise as well as the fact that she was pulling rank, he felt personally and professionally diminished by her attitude and frustrated by it too. My puzzle is why they call each other by first names. Roz goes right back to training days with Hilton and he thought he had a chance of getting her into bed with him, but even off duty she was still calling him Sir and continued to do it after he said not to, although that was because she already knew how their meeting was going to pan out.

While I'm here, thanks to everyone who's filling in the gaps in my knowledge. I'm really enjoying the threads and trying to puzzle things out, even though I know at the end of episode 6, I'll most likely be Confused

mistermagpie · 25/04/2017 16:07

Not sure if this has been cleared up and I missed it, but to we know why Roz took a taxi to Tim's flat?

I also found it odd that when Steve interviewed the rape victim (jade?) he reported back to Hastings et al that it all checked out. Surely even the crappest detective could see that her story wasn't very convincing. I presume Lakewell convinced Farmer to plead guilty in that case? But why?

mistermagpie · 25/04/2017 16:08

What I mean by my first question is, why didn't she drive?

EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 25/04/2017 16:38

It was a bit odd that Steve was brushed off like that, but Farmer had been convicted and as Steve said, it's a sensitive subject.

Roz left her phone switched off at home and took a cab to Ilfield's to lessen the chances of any proof she'd been there. Remember they noted Nick's car less than a quarter of a mile from there because of traffic cameras.

onedayatatime73 · 25/04/2017 16:41

Am becoming obsessive.
Just watched the 2 min preview to next ep on YouTube.

lampshady · 25/04/2017 16:42

I have a vague recollection it was so she couldn't be traced but might be confusing myself with something I've watched and something I've read.

FancyForgetting · 25/04/2017 16:44

I think there's a whole theme around promotion/rank/people 'knowing their place' and I think some of that is at the root of the poor relationship between Roz and Ifield.

Hilton is very magnanimous in his 'as you were' instructions to his subordinates as he wafts around - even when nobody has noticed him, as on his Polk St visit 😀 Hastings is always at attention until stood down by Hilton (even when they're at loggerheads) and, although their own workspace is more relaxed, Kate pretty much always stands when in Hastings' office. When Buckells made to sit down as soon as he entered Hastings' office, he was ordered back on his feet immediately!

Jamie (not James) D (not T) straightened his tie and gathered himself when summoned by Hastings last episode, but 'talked back' when unjustly accused.

And, much as I love him, Hastings' use of 'fella', 'darling' etc can really only be viewed as either avuncular or patronising, depending on your viewpoint - either way, it underlines that he's in charge.

Many of the corrupt practices in previous series involved junior officers being 'groomed' to do their superiors' bidding (which was how the whole Dot/Caddy thing began).

And there's the whole overt promotion question re Steve and Kate. And was Maneet overlooked for promotion and that made her disenchanted and vulnerable to corruption?

Of course the issue of rank/hierarchy is inherent in the police, but definitely observed more strictly by some than others - and abused too.

Me, overthinking? Not possible - it's a Line of Duty discussion!

EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 25/04/2017 16:45

I'm hating that episode 1 will expire tonight Sad

Notes. Roz is at home at quarter to six before setting off for Ifield's. It should be dark by something like six fifteen? The CCTV footage as Tim goes into the diy store is clocked at seven thirty three. Don't know if that might come in handy?

The evidence bags Tim had contained cigarette stubs, some blood on cotton wool, hair which looked long and a fourth bag with contents unseen.

One more thing I picked up on, apart from Roz's quickness to violence, was her scathing remark to Tim 'what do you know about anything?' Hmm

SapphireStrange · 25/04/2017 16:49

was Maneet overlooked for promotion and that made her disenchanted and vulnerable to corruption?

This has made me think – assuming it was Hilton who made her work for him, perhaps he threatened her with something to do with her maternity leave? ie 'You might find it hard to come back' type of thing? It would echo the narrative that Roz's career took a knock when she left to start a family (although I still don't think that's the explanation, or the only one, for her 'career break').

EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 25/04/2017 16:54

Looking again, Roz wasn't quick to violence really as I said in my last post. They were very in each others' faces when Tim accused her of framing Farmer.

FancyForgetting · 25/04/2017 17:04

Yes Sapphire - did she question the bringing in of Jamie and Hilton capitalised on it and promised she'd not be overlooked again, although she has very quickly regretted it...

Hastings rates her ability (starting maternity leave talk) and trusts her (he assumed Jamie must be the mole a starter it couldn't be Maneet) yet her career hasn't progressed.

And Roz's career break has been dressed up/assumed to be related to her family, but obviously wasn't.

It makes my head ache, but I love it!

mistermagpie · 25/04/2017 17:17

But leaving her phone and getting a taxi to avoid being traced would suggest that she was planning all along to do something untoward to Tim, doesn't it? Not that she just went there to talk about work?

beargrass · 25/04/2017 17:21

I have tried to RTFT (I have been v invested!) so apols if I have missed someone else saying this but...

Ifield. He gave one of the officers a knowing look upon arrival at the Hana abduction scene, didn't he? So I'm not sure we can assume he was all that innocent. I think a PP said this could be a case of whole team corruption. So that might fit?

EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 25/04/2017 17:30

I think she just intended warning him off didn't she, that and letting him know that she knew it was him who prompted AC-12's investigation, but I got the impression that was all there was to it.

When Ifield did the knowing look as he checked in to the crime scene wasn't that because of the number of officers already 'trampling' over the area and so potentially spoiling or destroying forensic evidence?

OutToGetYou · 25/04/2017 17:30

Roz left her phone switched off at home and took a cab to Ilfield's to lessen the chances of any proof she'd been there.

People keep saying the phone was turned off but I don't think it was - I think Kate traced her phone on the night and that's why they accepted she was at home, but later they realised (and said out loud) "so the phone was at home but she wasn't". It would be no use Roz leaving it to be traced at home if it was off.

Yes, she took the cab to avoid traffic cams. Not necessarily to do him some harm but just maybe to deny harassing him if it came up later?

beargrass · 25/04/2017 17:41

I thought the phone was traced to its last location..?

EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 25/04/2017 17:59

Out the phone was definitely turned off and placed face down on the kitchen island. Roz left saying she was going back to work and Nick picked it up, saw it was off and followed her.

Whywaitfortomorrow · 25/04/2017 18:05

If phone was on they can use 'signal strength triangulation' to show roughly where phone is. So must have been off but agree makes more sense for her to leave on if she wanted to people to believe she was home. However, if left on, maybe she was worried one of her family might pick up if someone called - not likely with teenagers - but possible. I think they said phone was off because kids message about pizza came through when phone was switched back on. That's why she asked Nick where he'd been because she had assumed he was home all evening.

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