Ming the Merciless reveals a secret love for ferrets

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Shiny and new for the grand finale!

Surely she won't move to Washington now?? She hasn't got the job, she was stitched up wasnt she?

Also v surprised that bad social worker didnt lose her job, it was obvious Dar was more than feeding her info when she phoned Dar in the car to keep him informed.

Wtf was Carrie so cross with Saul after the meeting?

The photos we were definitely Quinn's son, John is Quinn's real name so John Jnr

Surely she won't move to Washington now??

Ahh but she must now seek justice for Saul and bring down the duplicitous president Keane. You know Carrie when she gets the bit between her teeth! Frannie will of course be fine wherever she is

She'll join the resistance. :)

Yes! There will be berets.

Monica, all through the meeting Saul was looking sceptical, or quizzical, and saying nothing. I think he was thinking 'Carrie has drunk the Kool Aid' or something. He always looks out for Carrie, and she always avoids him when he is in to one of her raw spots. She hadn't been dealing with the death of Quinn, just rushing ahead on auto pilot. She knew Saul would be looking into her soul.

Until she saw the photos and cried about Quinn.

That's what I think, anyway.

Maybe Saul will get banged up in the same prison as Dar Adal, and they can share a cell and dig their way out Shawshank Redemption-style. Or Carrie will arrange a break-out -- she knows some bad ass types, and Max can do something to the security system. Maybe Frannie can wriggle down a drainpipe or something.

I wonder if Saul's curse with prisoners holds up in jail.
At some point, they'll all have killed themselves and he'll be the only one there.

I thought he was going to leave his pencil with Dar, then Dar would gouge his own eyes out with it.
Or dig to freedom.
Both would be plausible.

We don't know that Dar is still alive...

Coco, DH said the same thing about Saul's lethal pencil.

Returning to the 'pretty' remark by McClendon, it just seemed like an odd echo of Dar's emphasis on the teenage Quinn's good looks last season, and then the reference to never having forced himself on anyone this season by the lake. It's not an expression the average heterosexual American male tends to use about other men -- I was wondering whether we were supposed to intuit some gay inner circle with an interest in teenage boys, only that sounds (1) incredibly unlikely to involve a general in the US military/Black Ops CIA, and (2) like some homophobic conspiracy theory.

(Although I did also think it was pretty unlikely for a general to be running around armed on the street in fatigues, rather than directing things from behind the scenes...?)

I suppose the remarks on Quinn's good looks by other characters also highlighted for me one of the oddities of TV and film. Most lead actors in Hollywood films and high-end US TV like Homeland are unusually good-looking. but no one ever mentions this -- no one ever mentions how very beautiful Carrie is, or Farah, or Brody's wife, or Mira, or Astrid, or Hair etc, or for that matter Brody, Estes, Jonas, Carrie's lawyer colleague, the gorgeous Pakistani colonel played by Raza Jaffrey in season 4. It's just a given that the CIA and its allies and enemies are populated by extremely good looking people.

Yes, agreed Chavelit most American TV shows, dramas and movies are populated by good looking people. Some are good actors, others are mediocre. Only in the UK do we appreciate our actors for their acting ability rather than their looks. Toby Jones is one of our most amazing actors IMO.

And most in the US live comfortable lifestyles. There is no comparison with our gritty reality as portrayed in Shameless. Not aware of any US TV series set in a city housing project in Detroit or a trailer park in rural Pennsylvania.

Correct me if I am wrong American Mumsnetters......

The Wire? Though now you mention it, that was unusual.

There is no comparison with our gritty reality as portrayed in Shameless. Not aware of any US TV series set in a city housing project in Detroit or a trailer park in rural Pennsylvania.

They do have their own version of Shameless. :)

The idea of American Shameless blows my mind, though I know it has the brilliant William H Macy in it. I really liked the first season of the UK one, which had a brilliant cast, before it turned into a parody of itself and was happy to serve up endless 'feckless poor' stereotypes for middle-class viewers' laughs.

I mean, it's nice that the women of Homeland aren't objectified for their looks, but when a character says Quinn is pretty, I want to say 'What about the ravishing platinum blonde staking out Brodie/running the Kabul Station? Did you SEE Saul's gorgeous wife? Is David Estes possibly the most attractive ever CIA counter-terrorism chief? Doesn't Brodie look pretty hot considering he's been a POW for years?'

Just caught up on the season finale..it's been a so much better season than the previous one in Germany although struggled to keep up without reading this fantastic forum ...genuinely shed a tear when Quinn passed and the pictures moment , think that John Jr was Quinn (due to age of pictures)even though I remember his son being mentioned years ago . Roll on next year 😕

The "pretty" comment was odd. I've heard my DD talk about a man as being pretty - and she does mean handsome/rugged - but it jarred a bit coming from the Colonel. Maybe it was just to let Dar know that he knew about their past?

I'm agog at how the next season will start. Usually there's a defined storyline ending, and then suddenly time has passed and they're in Pakistan or Berlin or New York next season - this time it was more of the old-school season cliff-hanger, where it could potentially pick up exactly where it left off. It'll be interesting to see how it's handled.

Well I've been feeling a real homeland shaped hole in my life since Sunday so last night I caved and loaded season 1, episode 1 on Netflix. I've lost most of today as a result it's so good to see Brody in his former glory! I'm barely tolerating Dana and Jess

Do people really keep photos of themselves as children? And write the name on the back to identify same? Surely it's more likely that Mum was sending the photos to an absent Dad,( but how important is it anyway?)

I thought they were photos of his son. We know he had a wife & child. And didn't it say "John Jr" on the back?

Why would they be photos of Quinn rather than his son, though? The recap at the beginning of the final episode even reminded us, rather clunkily, that he had a child (which is the equivalent in TV/film near-death terms of the new recruit fondly passing around a picture of his sweetheart before going over the top ).

Plus I think it was supposed to pull at our heartstrings, that he had a photo of Carrie with the photos of his child inside his Special Dickens, even though he's obviously resented her for causing his disability all season - clearly we're still to understand he really loves her.

It occurs to me too that this is why there has been no evidence whatsoever this season, not even a shot of Carrie swallowing her pills, that she is bipolar -- with Quinn going PSTD/drugs crazy all over the place, there was no room for Carrie Crazy into the bargain. They'd both have spent the entire season in a psych ward.

It's occurred to me more than once this season too -- do we even have a name, far less a face, for the PE's vice-president? Wouldn't that have been important if the assassination had succeeded - wouldn't the VP Elect have been sworn in as president in her place?

I'm rewatching HL and just saw this fab scene from ferret man. Go to 2:30 for the great line.

That's a fantastic clip - thank you. No wonder we loved Quinn.

I stumbled across today - it's an enjoyable blast from the past, some of which I'd inexcusably managed to forget all about.

Hoping for a Porridge-esque spin-off, with Saul and Dar sharing a cell. Oh the japes 😂

We are lost souls aren't we without our regular Sunday night meet up?
Thanks for the clip Hassled.
That's a great start to the morning !