13 Reasons Why - Netflix (Spoiler Alert!!!)

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Just wondered if anyone had started this. I did yesterday. It's slightly strange but yet makes me want to watch more.

Did she want Tony to save her? I couldn't work out if he would have had time. Did she think he'd listened and didn't care which spurred her on? I do think the series is problematic and when i don't think it glorifies the act of suicide, it does but into the whole 'they'll be sorry when I'm gone' attitude.

The only person really truly guilty was Bryce. I was willing her to tell the counsellor who it was and what he did.

I hope it goes some way to show that you have to talk to people. No one can guess what's going on in your life or your head.

There is absolutely a culture of the American justice system protecting its young sports stars. I think that might make it harder for us to understand why nobody told.

Interesting point about Tyler and Alex. I too aasumed he was being taken "off the list" but perhaps it was because Tyler had followed through. I quite liked Alex in the end.

I remember how meeting the guy from the poetry group (not the one she knew at school) who was asking when she'd come back, seemed genuinely pleased to see her. She talked about giving life one last chance but that was literally the last human encounter she had, it was a very encouraging one and she still went home and did it. Obviously someone being friendly to you isn't enough to fix your mental health, but she is portrayed far more as being affected by the bad behaviour of others than actually having a serious mental health condition.

The companion programme seemed to imply Alex had committed suicide as it listed the 'at risk' behaviours he was exhibiting eg reckless (jumping in the pool); angry/violent (getting into a fight).

Watching the interviews with the show's creators, I felt they thought they had made a different programme from the one I had watched. They had detailed discussions about slut shaming, about consent, about suicide, etc. Maybe they were trying to cram too many messages in . . .or maybe I was looking for it to be tied up too neatly.

Is sex also that big a deal in America?

I mean in every program even if it's two 18-20 yr olds in a long term relationship practicing safe sex the adults in the programme freak and the boy is banned from the house and try have to sneak around etc when they are literally doing nothing wrong.

I'm not saying it's something that should be undertaken lightly but if the culture of shame against a natural act is so that people have no where to turn for fear of slut shaming etc then sure my there's a bigger chance of things like that being done in secret as no one appears to discuss consent and contraception and getting laid is such a huge achievement.

I would like to know how incidents like the ones in the show compare with somewhere like Holland where things are more open and questions answered.

Is sex also that big a deal in America?

It's supposed to be such a progressive country but I think the fact that (mainly male) lawmakers in the US create such a stigma around sex for women (difficulty of getting the pill, anti-abortion laws, rapists getting six months because they're good swimmers etc) it doesn't surprise me that the shameful attitude trickles into high schools.

Watched the final episode last night. I cried lots and was shocked about how graphic that scene was. I've thought about nothing else all day and was extra kind to my DD today. Granted she's only 4 but her growing up scares the shit out of me

I've just discovered my teen dsd is watching this..I'm pretty sure it's not suitable for her age group. Does anyone disagree?

DEPENDS how old and how mature she is. I could have coped with it at 14-15 i think

It depends how old she is, how mature she is and whether you're having conversations with her about it. The rape scenes and the suicide are harrowing but you could have worthwhile discussions about consent, etc.

Would it be possible for you to watch the making of documentary with her? Or to orchestrate a conversation about what Hannah and/or Clay could have done differently? Like talking to someone or seeking help. Turn it into a positive thing and a learning experience about how she can talk to you about things without lecture or judgment (not saying you do those things!)

Just finished the second episode of this. It's definitely sucked me in although I'm a bit nervous about watching 'that' episode at the end.

instead she sets up a scenario which makes it worse

This is kind of what many teenagers do is it not? They are children, and they are prone to making mistakes. Especially when they feel they can deal with something on their own.her mental health issues will have clouded her mind and affected her ability to make the better choice too, imo.

I know it's early days for me but I actually really like Hannah. She's not perfect, she has faults. Sometimes she isn't likeable but then again she is a teenager and she is also human. It's weird that some people want characters, especially female characters to be perfect in order for them to be likeable.

Looking forward to watching the rest of the series.

I currently work with young women who are depressed/ have eupd etc, I personally felt this series glorified suicide and would be triggering for people.

It's so easy for people to judge people's 'reasons' for suicide, few people could get through the trauma of being raped without it having an impact on their mental health. I think it showed how various issues a person may have, may seem small to people on the outside, but added all up together can have a massive impact.

Her suicide is shown to be effective as it makes people stop and think about their behaviour (though actually it took another living person really to make that happen). We don't want young people (or anyone) thinking that suicide is a good way to get your point across to others.

I've just watched & whilst it might make someone stop & think about what they are about to say/do, I do just see it more of a drama.

What Hannah went through-the pic that Justin took, Jessica, Alex,Tyler, Ryan, Zach, Jeff-that would have been enough to show how stuff can build up.

The two rapes seemed too much.

Our dds school have written to parents warning them about not allowing kids to watch this series (I believe it is a 15?). Dd is year 9.

Finally finished this ridiculous show. I'm mildly OCD about books and once I start a book, no matter how rubbish it is, I'll do my very best to finish it. I guess that's now spilled over to TV shows.

I was looking forward to watching the show as it was so talked about but also when I was 17 a school friend of mine killed himself - it was later revealed he committed suicide because he was in a huge drug debt and didn't know how to tell his parents or how to pay the debt. So I was excited to see the inner workings of a teen dealing with serious adult problems who struggled to find any other option than opting-out. Hannah had plenty of chances to help herself, plenty.

I must say that I'm pleased Netflix is shining a light on teenage mental health but this show was so utterly shit. I much preferred something like 'My Mad Fat Diary'.

I had rumours started about me in high school (early-mid 2000s), so fucking what?! Next week there'll be another rumour about someone else. And the list - imagine how she would have reacted if she got 'Worst Arse'. I really really don't understand how she got upset over such small things.

She hid in the closet when Bryce was raping Jessica? Really?! And she knew he was such a shit guy why did she go to his party, uninvited?

And she got upset at Clay because he didn't stay after she told him repeatedly to leave, I bet Clay felt humiliated. And Zac's story I really didn't understand - he was trying to reach out and she told him to fuck off too. And the counsellor story line... she got upset because she left his office and he didn't follow her?? Give me a break. Plus, who the fuck, teen or adult, would wait over an hour for a guy/their date to arrive?!

She felt alone? In a big American school with over 1000 students she couldn't find ANY other group of people to hang out with. Really!?

The only time I was sad for Hannah is when she was raped by Bryce but she should have told the Counsellor, her parents, or the police.

I could go on.

Stupid show.

I am halfway through

I am finding it really hard viewing - which surprises me . The teenage angst , the cruelty and lack of empathy and maturity . It’s good - but underpinning it is this lovely girl died

Anyway no spoilers but bumping for any new watchers !

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