Carrie, Quinn, Saul and Dar too.

[Hassled]

Previous Homeland thread - new thread for the sake of inter-episode tidiness.

Is there a parallel to the billionaire Koch brothers, who in real life US, fund a lot of right wing political activities and operate out of a mysterious building? And obviously are uber-hawks, and make their money from weaponry.

Did Quinn know that someone was in the house when Carrie went in? I thought he was going off to follow the Ops guys...So did he send Carrie in knowing that woolly hat was in there? Seems a big thing not to notice Woolly hat wasn't in the vehicle going off.

Plus why hasn't Carrie returned any of Saul's calls yet? She's had her phone on her all night...

Why are they framing Quinn?

It could be a coincidence, but he's clearly a dangerous man with an unstable life, who's been out of social contact for a while and with huge difficulties in expressing himself. Besides, he doesn't have an internet life and wouldn't notice his name being used.

I think that Quinn will save PE but die in the process.

One way or another, they can't make him survive another near death experience and his character is coming to the end of its useful life.
It would be odd to make him simply disappear into the sunset at this time. And Carrie would probably chase after him.

Yes, I was puzzled by where Quinn appeared from, when Carrie was wandering noisily around the house by herself -- pretty odd not to notice Woolly Hat wasn't with the others, and pretty risky as Carrie could easily have been killed by the time he reappeared. The bomb doesn't make a lot of sense to me either.

And as others have said, wouldn't there be better people to frame for the PE's assassination than Quinn, a veteran whose PSTD is well-documented, and whose service to US security is long and exemplary, and has resulted in a visible disability? (Or is his past so Black Ops that his record is entirely unofficial?) Especially when the anti-Keane faction are so exercised by her 'cowardly' soldier son's last moments. Or is that the point - a disabled. traumatised veteran, outraged by 'lies' from the PE and her son's military award, is driven beyond endurance and kills her?

I think Quinn will die protecting the PE in the final episode -- not sure from what, exactly. Given all the references to waiting for reinforcements, surely that's a false trail - it's such a hoary thriller cliché for the cops/security guards/army to turn out to be the bad guys? Might there be another bomb?

I think the whole point of this season was to try (belatedly) to address the accusations of Homeland's Islampohobia by showing a Muslim American suicide bomber turn out to be innocent and framed, and the real villains to be deep inside the US political establishment. I agree with other people that Dar is going to turn out to be a comparatively small fish in the anti-Keane faction, and I don't think he is colluding with/in the know about the assassination plan, I think he was just happy to smear her and wreck her credibility/get her impeached.

When Quinn was in the basement, wasn't he reading online sites? When he was coming to terms with what happened?

caper neither of those things had occurred to me -Carrie not returning Saul's calls, and her going into the house to woolly hat. But then Quinn came in and saved her. Hmmmm.

When Quinn was in the basement, wasn't he reading online sites?

He was certainly listening to angry radio man.

Now, could he have contacted the guy at some point, thus drawing attention to him?

The garage/van bomb makes no sense. They got into the garage by key in the back door. Surely, FBI 101 investigations would require a sweep of the house/garage/van before touching anything? I think the house used would be deliberate as Quinn had history there so possible DNA/prints there so easily connected.

Hopefully max will see this series out alive.

Max said to Dar, I think, that fake Quinn had been posting as 'Toxic Soldier' for about four months, and that given that he was 'banged up' for a significant part of that time, it was clear that it couldn't have been the real Quinn. This whole season has taken place over, what, a period of six\eight weeks or so I think we were told at the beginning how long it was going to be until the PE was inaugurated? so sockpuppet Quinn was posting long before the real Quinn was hanging out in Carrie's basement listening to right-wing radio and looking up his own death video on Youtube, and before he hit the headlines by shooting rock-throwers at Carrie's house.

Which does make you wonder what (or who?) brought Quinn to Right-Wing Radio Nut Job's attention...

I don't like PE. She gives me the creeps.

Saul is good though. Sorry, Coco, i'm jumping ship.

I think Dar thought he can control and use Right Wing Talk Show man, but has now realised he can't.

You see, I do like PE and why wouldn't we? we've seen her disempowered and struggling, kidnapped, threatened, smeared, discovering her own national intelligence is sabotaging her, grieving her dead son in public under insult but I feel that's not the whole story, either.

We've been shown her at her most vulnerable, and as aligned with Carrie, who we trust (mostly) as the moral heart of the series, and Saul is throwing himself under a bus to save her -- I just have a feeling that if she makes it into the Oval Office, she's not going to be essentially Carrie-as-President. It won't end that cosily.

I don't think Saul is throwing himself under a bus is he?
It's to his advantage that PE has the evidence about Dar and the sock puppet shop, because it means PE can now get rid of Dar (he'll go quietly) without having to drag Saul/Berlin/Eowyn into it.

Having rewatched it, it was surprisingly easy for Carrie to get into the house - a key hidden in an outside chimney stack type thing! Was this a set up by the CIA team - though obviously not intended to end up with woolly hat dead!

Which does make you wonder what (or who?) brought Quinn to Right-Wing Radio Nut Job's attention...

I was wondering this and the only thing I could think of was the sarin attack on him. Quinn was black Ops. He would not have a public existence. He wouldn't have been googleable. There wouldn't be a way to find him online or on service records. And there would be no reason to as no-one knew he existed other than Dar, carrie and co. The only way he was brought to the publics attention was via the video of him being almost killed in that chamber. It was posted online by the attackers (I think?) that's how he would have been identified. Why that would make radio man want to set up a fake online presence for him though? I can't work it out.

I think whoever is behind O'Keefe's operation wants to use Quinn as a PTSD veteran "This is what can/will happen if we don't stand up for ourselves as PE wants". "Damaged veteran, we must stay strong."

And yes, the sarin attack & Berlin have brought him to someone's attention.

The key thing is a little Le Carré - Moscow rules. St. Saul found the key to Carrie's room of Wall of Crazy by feeling about the tops of doors & then the bannisters.

Quinn got the key from the outside BBQ chimney when he went there. He knew that's where it was from when he was a resident.

"What happened to make everyone nervous in the PE's car just before they went into the car park?" The PE's car hit a protester.

Before they got out, did Saul actually hold her hand? Did he give her the diamonds, from his closed fist?

Wasn't the garage door simply booby-trapped? Against anyone who tried to get in?

Fid - yes, I thought "Moscow Rules" too. Smiley is smiling down on the Homeland writers somewhere. I've been looking out for yellow chalk.

I'm sort of relieved that no-one else understands the garage/bomb. Saul in the car - no I think it was just a reassuring avuncular hand on the arm in a "it'll all be OK, don't fret" sort of way. Because that's just how good Saul is.

Quinn left Carrie a rough map of the house, didn't he? She was holding something scribbled on a piece of cardboard -- presumably he also told her where the key was, which he knew from his days there. Not entirely clear on why she needed a map to guide her to the garage of an ordinary suburban house,mind you.

No, Saul just touched the PE's hand to make her realise they'd arrived, after they hit the protester.

She was holding the key code for the alarm system.

I am sure Carrie's Spy superpowers enable her to remember an alarm code.

And why the hell was she click clacking around? When I am a CIA agent I will ALWAYS wear soft soled shoes.

I think Quinn was on his lookout while she went to see for herself, so he came one he realised Wolly Hat was there.

Hassled We should have a Le Carré thread to tide us over when Homeland finishes.

I've got Tinker Tailor & Smiley's People narrated by John Le Carré on Audible & all the others narrated by Simon Russell Beale. 400-ish hours of Le Carré.

Have you heard there's a new Smiley book coming? Here. I'm insanely excited.

"Quinn got the key from the outside BBQ chimney when he went there. He knew that's where it was from when he was a resident."

Good grief, is that the best the CIA can do for security?

and they haven't changed the alarm code for 2 years?

Oh FFS! I'm watching the Big Bang theory on RTE2 and they've just put the trailer for next week's homeland! Talk about spoilers!

Is RTE2 showing the season finale episode on Tuesday night? I watched the second half of an episode a couple of weeks ago when I realised it was on, it was shown the following Sunday on C4