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THE ACCUSED ------ CHANNEL 5 now

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RTKangaMummy · 06/02/2017 21:02

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quicklydecides · 07/02/2017 22:59

Question for rob-
Do you know, did she start to dress th hat way AFTER she was charged?
That ultra feminine colourful vintage quirky look didn't ring true for me.
Did she look like that beforehand?
I think she was a manipulative psychopath.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 07/02/2017 23:03

Quickly it was quite a transformation wasn't it? Even the solicitors commented on it.

OopsDearyMe · 07/02/2017 23:19

Was any consideration given to whether Kenzey had bonded with the child(ren) It dawned on me that had she been struggling to bond it may have affected her judgement and also her inability to prioritise her child. Or like others have said whether she had been in home where abuse was a daily normality.
Both mother and daughter had a weird dynamic, I noticed they were not filmed together at all, when they went for the contact visit mum was in a car and kensey using trains.

OopsDearyMe · 07/02/2017 23:21

Damediazapam ... I must have missed that bit, what did they say? I know in the police footage she was much more dour and plain looking. Dark hair etc

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 07/02/2017 23:24

They only had the baby 8 weeks before the abuse happened so who knows?

It was when they were watching the video, they were surprised at the hair change.

ColdFeetinWinter · 07/02/2017 23:25

Rob did Kenzey receive any sort of emotional help, counselling or support whilst awaiting trial?

OopsDearyMe · 07/02/2017 23:31

Ahhh maybe the change in appearance was because kyle had been telling her previously to dress a particular , unprovocative way. When he was no longer in control, she was able to be freer and dress more how she wanted. However I did think it may have gone against her as it made her appear bright and carefree, rather than someone who had to deal with such trauma. Not that it should, I hate to hear things like that's not normal when such an such happens, who know how you would react in any given situation, it isn't always a giveaway of guilt.
Its sad to see the DM are printing horrific angry tweets against her. I genuinely think she is a her damaged person.

RockyBird · 07/02/2017 23:33

Kyle must have had flashes of remorse to go ahead and confess, even if it was withdrawn. Can't say the same for Kenzey.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 07/02/2017 23:34

Do you think he was as damaged?

Juicyfrooty · 07/02/2017 23:36

Judging by pics on Facebook she always dressed like that

SemiNormal · 07/02/2017 23:49

Only just watched this.

Had there not been text messages from him warning about him being a danger to the baby then I may have had more sympathy for Kenzey. If a man said they feel they are a danger to my child then they would never, ever go near my child again. Period. No retraction from that being said, no excuses, no 'but I love him'.... she knowingly put her child in danger for the sake of her relationship - that is the gist of it. Could it be a possibility that he is covering for her? because that is the ONLY reason I can possibly think of as to why she would defend him so readily.

I feel extremely sorry for people who have been falsely accused of these things, but ultimately they are falsely accused because of people like Kenzey and Kyle who actually have done something!

My question for Rob is - was the show edited in a way to make it more factual rather than emotive? were clips of Kenzey showing emotion cut out so as not to lead the viewer one way or the other and give a more 'balanced' view of the situation? or is she really just that emotionally removed in 'real life'?

MadHattersWineParty · 08/02/2017 07:08

I think she was very damaged. As a PP said she normalised abuse and seemed desensitised to it so I do wonder about her upbringing. None of that makes what happened ok but I do wonder if she needed phsyciatric care rather than prison.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 08/02/2017 07:28

She certainly tried to dismiss the abuse as nothing much but she seemed to know exactly how the video of her would be used and viewed by the prosecution.

Seeing as the baby was only about a year-18 months old when the trial took place ( am I right?) she went from daily visits to 3x a year extremely quickly. It must have been very obvious,very quickly she shouldn't be near her and the second baby.

BakeOffBiscuits · 08/02/2017 07:44

OopsDearyMe "Was any consideration given to whether Kenzey had bonded with the child(ren)?"

I didn't bond with my dd for months (very traumatic birth) but that diidnt mean I wouldn't prioritise or protect her. She was as well cared for, worried about and cherished as any other baby.
Would you excuse a neighbour or stranger from harming your baby because they hadn't "bonded" with the the baby? Of course not.

I have only watched 30 mins of this programme and will catch up today. I wanted to find out what happened though. I too couldn't get over how "odd" she came across. For me her "story" just didn't add up from the start. Mostly the spending 40 mins in the kitchen, with the door closed, while she made up a feed. Then she said to her solicitor the baby was "making funny little noises" but she just went to bed. Then the ambulance staff saying what happened when they arrived at the scene, they said Kenzey pushed bf away and said "don't touch me, not after what you've done".

I think her barrister knew ske was going to prison from very early on. Poor man looked absolutely exhausted.

I also think the fact she got back together with bf and had another child with him, went against her too, it just blew my mind.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 08/02/2017 08:02

Bake I agree,it was utter nonsense.

MeadowHay · 08/02/2017 10:28

Rob Was Kenzey paid to be part of the programme? If not, why do you think she wanted to take part in it?

Sidge · 08/02/2017 11:00

I found this documentary fascinating.

Initially I thought Kenzey was very childlike, naive, quite vulnerable. Then the more we saw of her the more I thought "hang on, this just doesn't add up".

Who spends 45 minutes making up a bottle in the kitchen with the door shut? Why did Kyle say "it's not the baby crying, it's the telly?" when she thought she heard her baby crying? If it was due a feed it would be understandable for the baby to be crying. If she thought the baby was crying why wouldn't you go to her rather than just pop your head round the door and ask a question without checking properly?

Kenzey knew the police had seized her and Kyle's phones, so why deny physical violence and arguments when there was very damning evidence on her and Kyle's phones? She said their relationship was fine, and they just had the odd argument like most couples. But most couples don't fight (they might have arguments, but not physical fights), and most new dads don't call babies cunts.

Kenzey often sounded like she was repeating a script, there was no passion or insistence to her protestations. She seemed to be faux-religious (crossing herself and saying it was in God's hands). She couldn't seem to acknowledge the difference between child abuse and serial killers - kept insisting her and Kyle weren't comparable to the Wests (she mentioned them twice) and Ian Huntley and Myra Hindley.

Her relationship with her mum was weird. Mum drove to the contact visits, Kenzey got the train. They didn't appear to phone each other or meet up. Her mum was allowed what sounded like fairly regular contact, whereas Kenzey's contact was very restricted and reducing, probably because Children's Services were planning to have her children adopted. Mum didn't seem to question that or consider that her daughter and Kyle might be guilty, hence the repeated references to cot death.

Neither Kenzey or her mum never made mention of the call to 111 rather than 999, or Googling 'baby not breathing' rather than calling for an ambulance. For me, that was the single most relevant bit of information regarding Kenzey's involvement - surely if you discovered your baby floppy, not breathing normally with blood around their mouth you would call 999 not get your phone out to Google. IME young, inexperienced parents tend to panic and overreact rather than under react.

I imagine Children's Services assessed Kyle as no risk to the baby because him and Kenzey were complicit in minimising his aggression. If Kenzey had just once said she was scared of him, his temper and his verbal abuse to the baby I imagine they would have been much more alert. Kenzey didn't even seem to know that he'd received a caution for slapping her when she was pregnant. Total ostrich syndrome.

An interesting documentary. I'd like to see more from the producer.

Similarstories · 08/02/2017 11:19

I found it really interesting and I think Kenzey really thought that all would be okay and she would be found innocent.

I come from the position of an adoptive mother whose sibling was killed in the birth home. In their situation 999 was called but then the parents both fled the home leaving the emergency service to find a (dead) baby and a little boy in a distressed state.
Like Kenzey daily contact became weekly, then monthly then for my boy stopped as he was freed for adoption and became my son. He has to forever remember the trauma of watching his sibling die at the hands of the people who should have loved and protected them both.
Incidentally in our case there was not enough evidence to have them charge with murder etc, and apart from loosing their son - and every baby they have have since, they were never punished for their crime against that baby.
Total ostrich syndrome in their case too.

OopsDearyMe · 08/02/2017 12:04

Bake Off, I did not mean it was an excuse, I meant that it may go some way to explain why she was coming across detached from the baby, I too had issues with bonding and no I would not have put my child in any danger.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 08/02/2017 14:02

No,he was just a nasty,violent thug.

Igottastartthinkingbee · 08/02/2017 14:40

Very interested to hear how this documentary came about. She seemed to be clueless or in denial about the whole thing. Why else would she agree to be filmed?

HabbyHadno · 08/02/2017 15:19

Hi, just watched this on my lunch break. The thing I thought was odd is that from the images of their home you can clearly see that the kitchen was right next to the living area. I'm pretty sure if your baby was crying and then suddenly stopped that you'd hear that very clearly, you wouldn't even need to question it, and I doubt he would have shaken her in total silence without Kenzey noticing. She knew exactly what had happened.

I'm so glad the jury came to the correct verdict, given the evidence. I was dreading a not guilty verdict popping up.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 08/02/2017 15:29

Habby yes it was practically a bedsit,and why shut the door- unless it was to drown out crying or was Kyle kicking off and she was actually cowering in the kitchen for 45 mins and not making a bottle? Either way WHY defend him?Confused

Embekkisson1 · 08/02/2017 15:30

Yea I was glad that judge and jury saw justice for that poor little baby . I thought the mother protecting the abusuve boyfriend was terrifying really . The poor little baby never stood a chance . She said she was in the kitchen making a bottle with door closed but the photographs of that flat , how could she close a door the furniture and stuff lying about was even laying over the kitchen threshold .