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THE ACCUSED ------ CHANNEL 5 now

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RTKangaMummy · 06/02/2017 21:02

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TheSecretMrsFairbrother · 07/02/2017 13:11

I watched with interest as I used to work with a woman who was in a similar situation to Kenzey.

Her four week old baby was injured, her and her boyfriend claimed the baby had rolled over and fallen off a sofa.

They were both arrested and bailed. She stuck to her story and spent a lot of time moaning on Facebook about having to go to the police station to report for her bail.

She was then advised that if she changed her story and gave evidence against her boyfriend, all charges against her would be dropped.

He was convicted and the baby was returned to her. She has rewritten history and now claims that she told the truth from the beginning rather only telling the truth when she had to save herself.

Kenzey seemed to be in total denial. I think she was very immature emotionally and put Kyle first over the baby. I wonder if her refusal to admit the truth was because she couldn't face the fact that she did fail to protect her child.

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RowanMumsnet · 07/02/2017 14:24

Hello everyone

The makers of this documentary have been in touch to offer a Q&A.

If any of you have any questions you'd like to put to the documentary's director Rob McCabe, now's your chance - post them up here and we will send them over to him and post up his answers within the next couple of days.

There's a link to the film here if anyone would like to have a look.

Thanks
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HalfShellHero · 07/02/2017 14:28

Ooh that's interesting!

MarmiteMakesMeHappy · 07/02/2017 14:31

I would like to ask Rob what he thought Kenzey's motive for being part of the film making was. It's a huge undertaking to be so publicly exposed without knowing whether you will be exonerated or vilified.

She must have had her reasons and I'd be interested to know what they were.

laki139love · 07/02/2017 14:31

Has there been a serious case review or learning lessons review in this case that can be read? I'd be keen to see what it had to say.

laki139love · 07/02/2017 14:35

Also to the poster suggesting this baby could have spontaneously suffered the injuries she tragically received, you are certainly no expert in the field to comment with such misguided 'authority'. There are many examples of babies being injured in this way with subsequent confessions (either pre or post judicial processes) to show the evidence is strong that babies do not bleed on their brains AND have fractured skulls AND have retinal bleeds without them being inflicted in some way. I think the other issues listed by maternal grandmother are as a result of her profound disability rather than the initial assault but I wouldn't want to be certain based on such limited info.

FannyWisdom · 07/02/2017 14:36

Just finished watching.
Imo

Kenzey was only invested in Kyle.
The reality of what happened hadn't sunk in.
It was as though her duty, emotion and energy all were Kyle.

Admitting to herself Kyle did it would mean changing everything she knew and believed.

I think the verdict was fair but I think if you dug a bit you would find Kenzey had some mitigating circumstances leaving her vulnerable to Kyle.

Tragic.

KERALA1 · 07/02/2017 14:39

I thought it was a very good documentary. More like this please.

I used to work in this field years ago. Remember a case of a young ostensibly loving mother whose baby suffered a serious head injury while in her care and medical evidence was certain she had done it and not accidental. It was very hard to deal with.

sassymuffin · 07/02/2017 14:54

I would like to ask Rob after spending time with Kenzey and her defence team if he agrees with the verdict.

HalfShellHero · 07/02/2017 14:58

I would like to ask Rob if there will be anymore documentaries like this to come?? I thought it very interesting to see the the actual process of cases like this and how lawyers like Richard Manek can truly work for their clients even in frustrating circumstances.

AllFurCoatNoKnickera · 07/02/2017 15:06

Just finished watching. Found it very hard to watch and struggled with how Kenzey didn't seem to show any emotion other than anger. Obviously this may have been a clever edit but I found that really strange.
Couldn't get on board with her mum and it really seemed that her own defence team weren't behind her.
She just seemed in total denial and that's what made it so hard

AdoraBell · 07/02/2017 15:16

I would also ask what marmite asked.

friendlyflicka · 07/02/2017 15:18

I would like to ask Rob if he felt he manipulated Kenzey in anyway, through filming her? That perhaps she might have dropped her stance if she had not been on film, and playing a role for the camera.

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RTKangaMummy · 07/02/2017 15:24

MNHQ and ROB

I would be interested to know if they have made other documentaries but have not been allowed to put them on TV cos the family has pulled out at last minute or CPS or family or whoever have decided that they don't agree with the verdict

In other words, who has the final decision whether it is shown on TV?

Can any of the people involved stop it happening?

I would also like to know why Kenzey thought it was a good idea to make the programme?

Was it cos she was convinced that they would both be found innocent?

If she thought she didn't do it and Kyle didn't do it then who did she think did do it?

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FannyWisdom · 07/02/2017 15:24

Good question Flick.
I felt that there was some unspoken role Kenzey seemed to try and fill.

friendlyflicka · 07/02/2017 15:48

I thought that Fanny. All the dressing up and speeches about God, and who can judge etc.

Was it conscious editing to make the mother and daughter both seem so obsessed with their appearances through scenes of them putting on make up, and with clothes changes - who suggested that?

TheSecretMrsFairbrother · 07/02/2017 17:40

friendly I wondered about the editing too. I appreciate that editing has to be done but they did both come across as preoccupied with anything other than the situation in hand.

I do have sympathy for Kenzey's mum though. You never want to think the worst of your children and to have her daughter accused of something so awful must be dreadful.

AdoraBell · 07/02/2017 18:45

I can't open the link. My iPad says address is invalid, then a companion software needs to download. Does anyone know what this software is please?

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HalfShellHero · 07/02/2017 18:52

Was it to her public wall?

1happyhippie · 07/02/2017 18:53

I would like to know if kenzey now admits that Kyle done it or does she still claim they are both innocent?
If she does think they are innocent, what does she believe happened that night to her baby?

I hope there are more documentarys like this in future. Although uncomfortable viewing at times, it was very interesting.

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DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 07/02/2017 18:58

Then there was her outburst in the court - she didn't show that side of her character in the any of the rest of the programme. I think her and the boyfriend were as bad as each other when it came to their abusive behaviour and that's why she would drop the boyfriend in it to the police. She didn't want the boyfriend to turn on her and tell the truth about her involvement in the treatment meted out to that poor baby

I think I agree with this. I think she was as bad as him possibly. The solicitors kept talking about her being expressive and animated- that wasn't shown at all so I can only assume there's a whole different side to her.

"I'm about to use the C word" being a good ezample of this and the solicitor basically looking terrified she's going off on one.

Amithenormalone · 07/02/2017 19:05

MNHQ AND ROB

Rob what hardest point emotionally for you when filming this?