THE ACCUSED ------ CHANNEL 5 now

[RTKangaMummy]

Now

[KERALA1]

Vacant is the word. The mother too. They have either had very bad things happen to them or there is something missing mentally / emotionally. She only seemed to get upset when boyfriend accused didn't see upset on behalf of her poor children, one damaged for life .

I hope they are with lovely families. No way could she be a mother I wouldn't leave a child of mine with her for a moment.

[Ftppussycat]

Or perhaps she is completely innocent. Dont forget legally there will be stuff that cannot be shown.
She looks and sounds like a doting caring mum who is fighting for justice and not prepared to say what the authorities want her to say. Shes standing up for justice. Lets hope she gets it.

[Ftppussycat]

This could happen to any of you mums here, judging someone you know nothing about. Anyone can wake up to a sick child. There are too many unexplained cot deaths etc. It could happen to every one of us.

[RockyBird]

Obviously I watched a different programme to you Ftppussycat

[RockyBird]

A court of law who has been privy to all the evidence has found her guilty. I'll go with their findings, not yours, I think.

[sassymuffin]

I think it would be safe to say this was not a case that should ever be compared to cot death. Kenzeys baby girl was found with a fractured skull, bleeding on the brain, and severe retinal haemorrhaging. I think there was a mention at some point that 16 medical professionals concluded these injuries were caused deliberately.

[MarmiteMakesMeHappy]

Really disturbing. She was completely absent.

Never once did she talk about (either) daughter in the present tense. There was no "I love her/them. I miss her/them". Her only reference was when she said she noticed people with prams and thought 'that should be us'. Statements. But no actual emotion about her children at all. I found this cold cold cold but perhaps she has just shut down.

My 'theory' is that she has existed for so long within an abusive relationship that she is still conditioned to protect Kyle at all costs. It is very hard - near enough impossible - to turn on and 'snitch ' on someone who terrifies you. She will him have been measuring her words in the fear that Kyle would find out that she turned on him and that is something she is conditioned to fear. Even now with so much at stake.

And I think that her fear of him has caused her to slam a lid on all her emotions. WhaT I really hope is that she breaks, that she gets counselling in prison that allows her to realise that she has to face the truth, that justice for her daughter is more important than protecting an abuser - however much fear that this brings. I think if that happens, she will let it all out. I think she will hate him, it for just what he's done to their daughter, but for causing her to lose her second, child and her life,

But I could be wrong.

And her mother didn't seem angry at him either - that's the spanner in my theory.

[Sleepingbunnies]

I also think we've watched different programmes ftpussycat. I can say with absolute certainty that no that would not happen to me and yes I do judge her for failing to protect her children.

[1happyhippie]

This wasn't an unexplained illness. The baby was shaken! Don't know how you can compare that to cot death!
There was a reason the baby got those injuries, and that reason was Kyle.

[Afreshstartplease]

She looks and sounds like a doting caring mum

Really? I've seen people more emotional over a sick pet than she was about a) loosing her children and b) one of her children being seriously injured

[Ftppussycat]

More than half of all babies born have a bleed on the brain. Often nothing comes of it, sadly sometimes it does. Dr Waney Squiers is a medical expert in these cases who disagrees with the medical experts supporting SBS. Lots of innocent families are going through these these accusations. Its so sad. Clearly many on here do not understand or are educated in this subject. Lets hope it doesnt happen to any of you, although sadly anyone with a baby is at risk of it. There will be a lot of legal restrictions on the programme and what they can discuss. There is a huge amount of positive support for her. With good reason.

[RTKangaMummy]

Pussycat do you know her/them personally?

[Ftppussycat]

Theres no evidence the baby was shaken. Scientists have evidenced that shaking a baby cannot cause these symptoms. Dr Squiers had asked for a public enquiry, saying more than half of those in prison are innocent. Nobody can argue with the science. If she seems detached, look what shes gone through. Shes a brave young woman to fight and refuse to lie. Good on her. Shes got a huge amount of support which is great.

[RockyBird]

Ftp I'm sure there are mistakes made but I'm not buying it with Kyle and Kenzey. Not at all.

[1happyhippie]

Why did he confess to shaking the baby on Facebook then?

[Sleepingbunnies]

What Rocky said.

[Afreshstartplease]

He confessed. No further evidence is needed

[BlytheOfWindyWillows]

Kanga, I was thinking the same.

[MarmiteMakesMeHappy]

FTP. Undisputed facts:

Kyle hit Kenzey more than once
Kyle called their newborn a cunt
Kyle was deemed potentially dangerous enough to have to be assessed by Social Services with a view to his safety around the baby (and we KNOW of many previous cases where their findings have been misjudged led to injury or death).
The baby had a fractured skull not just a brain bleed
Kyle confessed in writing.

There is nothing to suggest any miscarriage in his case whatsoever.

If you know of people who have been though a false accusation then I'm sorry. But I bet their case doesn't mirror this one AT ALL.

[viques]

ftpussycat, does your tame sbs denying doctor have a medical explanation for the other horrific injuries this tiny baby suffered? the dislocated hips, the spinal scoliosis, the dislocated knee and the rest..... Are you saying that they were birth injuries that were unaccountably missed as well?

[FishlessCake]

Just finished watching this, it's left me chilled to say the least. Do the children live with kenzeys mother?

[sassymuffin]

Ftpussycat it was other issues when put parallel with previous violent behaviour from Kyle that strengthened the prosecutions case. I definitely do not think that Kenzey inflicted any physical injury on her little girl and clearly the CPS didnt either.

The issues highlighted in the programme that cause pause for concern was the fractured skull, the message where Kyle admitted he was a danger to his daughter. The fact Kenzey lied to her solicitor about domestic violence. The retracted facebook confession by Kyle and the fact that there was an unexplained gap between the baby being found unresponsive and nhs direct not 999 being called. It was also on record that Kenzey had said to Kyle in the presence of paramedics "Get away from me, You will never touch me again" and the fact that there had been previous social service involvement due to domestic violence.

As viewers we can only comment on what was shown but I appreciate that we will of only been given a tiny amount of information as the trial was quite lengthy.

[HalfShellHero]

Did anyone else feel uneasy about the older and and stern looking lady typing away, I can't imagine feeling more judged and unsupported..

[homebythesea]

It's interesting how many people are commenting on her lack of emotion. Remember Lindy Chamberlain, whose daughter was taken by Dingoes in Australia? She was absolutely pilloried (and found guilty of her daughter's death, later appealed successfully) because she didn't fit the stereotype of a grieving mother. I think it's quite accepted these days that people can equally "shut down" as a result of trauma as well as weeping and wailing.

[KERALA1]

She seemed to get quite passionate in defence of herself and Kyle though. Maybe marmite is right? Still I think the court reached the right results.