THE MISSING IS BACK - part 4

[MrsderPunkt]

As part 3 is full.

I'm having a day off due to illness, so am planning a re-watch from the beginning as have got used to the time switches that confused me at first. Quite looking forward to it - will pay extra attention to all things yellow, legs in fireplaces and anything else that you suggest. Probably cover my eyes at the drilla moment again though!

The paramedic thought the answer of Sophie was to the question who can we contact so of course they would pass that information on to the hospital.

You realise we'll be on here for days after the finale with "But why/who/when/how...? Oh yes I will miss this thread as much as the programme.
Another thought, I also don't think Eve is involved - as a pp said, it was she who called in Julien. I think another plot device is that she is the Brig's daughter - that's why she doesn't suspect him of any involvement or cover up. If she wasn't so close to him she might have been more likely to question the investigation (as Jorn did). They are obviously a close family - close enough for her to be a surrogate for her sister. Her mum is nowhere to be seen - her dad is hero (she has even followed him into the army). I think we see on her face sometimes that she is puzzling, but she can't think of her dad being involved and doesn't want to challenge him.

I also don't think Sam is involved, but like Eve wants to see the best in the army - is more accepting than his wife because he is closer to the people investigating and can't believe they'd be involved. Immense betrayal - when look at the kind of misplaced loyalty that led to Stone and Reed covering for Gettrick in the first place. I think he trusts the army investigation because he is army (and as his son said in the last episode, used to obeying orders).
One of the most terrifying aspects of this series for me is the idea that what if your child's abduction was being investigated by the perpetrators.

I'm spending far too much time thinking about this

Thinking about Iraq in 1991. Stone and Reid knew where to find Gettrick as the house was where his "girlfriend" lived, albeit that is before they found out she was only 13. When she was kicked out/left the house she seemed to be arguing with her father. Maybe she had feelings for Gettrick? She must have returned to her home to find it burnt out and discover her father and younger sister dead and younger brother left alone. Could she have gone to the camp to find Gettrick? Could this be the reference Stone made about "what the 3 of us did to that girl"? Perhaps an argument ensued and Stone/Reid/Gettrick or Stone/Reid/Sam tried to hush her up and it all got very messy? Also, Reid must have met up with the younger brother again to get his bank details in order to send the payments through!

I've been rewatching.

It was Stone who knew where the girl's house was (we saw him telling Reid). And yes, there must have been further contact with the the family, certainly from Reid, who made the payments to Mirza. It must have been in the few days after they burnt the house down, because Nadia had said they were due to return shortly.

And yes, the 13 yo girl might well have been with her brother at that point.

It was Stone's comment about Alice loving spiders (made to Sam when he was looking after him at Eve's house) that made me think he has guilty knowledge of that abduction. That and Getterick having a MQ - he probably wouldn't be entitled to one, but rules can be bent especially if the Garrison Commander (or your CO, which is a likely position for Stone at the time of the abdictions) helps you.

I wonder if Getterick really was married for a while? Or if that was just a spur of the moment lie?

And the bird references and all the fires - Alice is the Phoenix!

Re-watching episode 4. The body in the shed is wearing the bird necklace.

When Sam is sitting with Brig and he talks about Alice, Brig says "I wonder if they'll ever find out what happened to her". Sam says that she died but the look on Brig's face suggests that he knows she actually didn't die but that he's not supposed to tell anyone. He also knows that she liked spiders and is an "alternative sort". He then changes the subject to something completely different. I think he definitely knows something about the Alice/Sophie thing.

Although the conversation between Sam and Brig would suggest otherwise, I am also wondering now about Sam being involved - reasons: 1. Sophie says 'dad' when she sees him, though doesn't seem sure of Gemma, 2. Flinches at his touch 3. His walking out when she talks about being raped and the other reasons pps have given above.

Admittedly all the above can also be explained also so... I don't really have a clue We'd better get answers on Wednesday!!

I think Sophie would obviously flinch at his touch as she has spent being abused by at least one other man (Gettrick), having to passively accept whatever he wished to do to her (in fact, having to pretend she's happy with it) so to then have another man, whom she doesn't even know, touching her would just be too much.

Mikado. It has "WEBSTER" stitched on the front of Sam's uniform, he can't be in any doubt who he is.

Also, I think it's a fairly understandable reaction for a father not to be able to listen to his daughter talking about being raped.

I'm rewatching and simply can't believe that Sam is involved. He comes across to me as someone who desperately wants to believe that she's is his daughter.

Agree Ewan.

I don't think Sam is involved - or has fathered all the girls/is a serial cheat. I commented in an earlier thread that until "Alice" came back the family was doing OK but then fell apart (as we now know because "Alice" died). It is then that the Webster's marriage breaks down and he gets will Eve. There is nothing to suggest he was unfaith before that.

Margot I agree but there was probably extra flinching iykwim because he wasn't her father, as she was Sophie not Alice.

I think part of the denouement will involve the cabin going up in flames.

(there's something nasty in the woodshed)

Just caught up with the thread! Why can't it be Wednesday yet?

holly I know - that's what I meant when I wrote "...another man, whom she doesn't even know...", referring to Sam .

I probably wasn't very clear, but I was responding to Mikado who said Sophie flinches from Sam. My point was she's already been abused by Gettrick, and she doesn't even know Sam, so obviously she's going to flinch when he touches her.

The use of "good girl" probably reminds her of Get trick.

Just something else to throw in. Do you think part of Driller's abductions is revenge against the army? Sam's daughter... Could Sophie's dad be ex-military. Lena's family military?

I now think Lena was Driller's daughter (He got the 13 yo Iraqi girl pregnant). He switched Sam's DNA sample for his own and Lena's was the body in the shed fire. The circumstances of the baby being born/taken are what further binds Driller, Stone and Reid together.

I don't buy Lena being his daughter.
For Lena to be the body in the shed, he would have had to kill her - it would be too far fetched for her to have died at a convenient time, when sophie needed to go out into the world for an op and then 'die'.
Based on the way he is with Lucy, I just can't see him killing his daughter.

I'm going out Wednesday night.