The Fall is back

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The Fall is back on RTE 1 in Sunday at 9.30
Jamie Dornan survives I think.
Looking forward to it.

Will Gillian Anderson still be wearing those lush silk blouses?
Anyone know where they are from?

Prob some very complex link to his mother. He loved her but also hated her for leaving him. I presume she was a ringer for his victims. Im most likely wrong though.

I wonder if it's the Madonna/whore thing. By marry Sally Ann he's preserving the Madonna side to his mother and his crimes are to punish the whore in her. I'm sure there was one non-murder because one of his targets was too pure.

I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly, but didn't Spector read and then write in Stella's diary. I got the impression that the diary was very private so that Spector having read it potentially gave him power over her as in a knowledge of her private thoughts. I think I remember wondering whether she revealed what he'd done to the investigation as it could be useful but would also be very revealing / damaging to her to have the diary's contents known by other people.

I've only just watched the first two series, so this is fresh in my memory. It was a dream diary that Spector read and then wrote in, and he took photographs of at least some of the pages. Stella told the forensics people and the diary was taken away as evidence. That's one of the things I like about her, she refuses to let someone like Spector intimidate her out of doing her job - plenty of people in her position would have kept quiet about the diary.

I agree that the victims are likely to look like Spector's mother, because the lock of her hair that he kept is dark coloured.

It looks as if the woman solicitor isn't going to be too keen on defending him. I wonder if she knew the lawyer victim?

The murder in London that Spector's schoolmate was convicted for happened in 2006, and the cop said that there was a gap in his timeline for that period. I reckon that is the significance of him choosing 2006 as the date when his alleged memory loss started.

The London murder was 2002, wasn't it?

Re his amnesia he said he recognised Rose in the photograph. The reason Rose was kidnapped was due to her giving info about him attacking her years before. So he has to remember that at least.

I agree with navy. He managed to get out of bed and stretch etc

He thinks it's 2006 so FB was about and maybe chose that as that's when he started killing so he can't pretend it never happened

Sally 😢 must be so hard for her. ESP as preg as well - I'm hoping she isn't going to go through with it ......

I think he is faking. Def a small glint /smile at end of episode

Maybe the nurse is really a detective with medical knowledge and is bait - knowing she is spectre type ...,,,

Sally Anne miscarried at the end of season 2 Blondes.
Spector said he remembers Rose in early summer of 2002. She recalled him from the Police PhotoFit and informed the police that he tried to strangle her and I'm sure it's while having sex. The London murder was in August 2002.

The RTE live link used to work with a VPN in series 2 but isn't this time Foxes. I'm so jealous you can watch it a full 4 days earlier! I love all the theories surrounding Sally Anne and Spector's amnesia.

Something a previous poster said about a non murder because the victim was too pure, it might have been that he confessed that he wouldn't have killed the lawyer if he knew she was pregnant. He seems to deify mothers and children.

Also, just remembering, he said he heard Olivia's voice in the "tunnel" calling him away from the light - it sounded like current Olivia to me, not a baby. And he recognised it as being her.

Good point, Missanne !

Im finding it hard to take this seriously now due to the fact that they've appointed him a young pretty brunette who looks exactly like his victims who is left in sole charge of him, unhandcuffed, noone else in the room, for hours. I mean come on.

it might have been that he confessed that he wouldn't have killed the lawyer if he knew she was pregnant. He seems to deify mothers and children

That's the one 😄 I'd be a terrible witness - head like a sieve!

Ulysses I had forgotten that 😳

Missanne with the tunnel and Olivia's voice etc, I thought he wasn't 'brain damaged' at that point was he, did it occur when he was trying to pull that tube out of his throat in ICT? Then again if that was the case, why would he recall the tunnel experience if he can only remember 2006...

Why on earth would a nurse be having a psychological conversation about his near death experience with her patient?

She's obviously religious, I reckon she thinks she can 'save' him and he's going to manipulate that to his advantage somehow. Not sure how though as they've said they're moving him to a Forensic Unit..unless she comes to visit him or writes to him or something else equally inappropriate and unprofessional that would blatantly result in her being struck off in RL.

I reckon Katie is going to do a murder in a Belfast Strangler stylee in the hope that everyone will think it can't possibly be Spector afterall because he's locked up in hospital. She'll probably fuck it up spectacularly though.

Just caught up with episode 3.

I agree that Spector's victims probably resemble his mother and Spector is using them partly to act out his anger at her.

I also agree that he chose Sally Ann because she was the opposite of this type, blonde rather than brunette, curly hair rather than straight and a different kind of build. I suspect that Sally Ann has no inkling of the more sinister side to Spector. That is also probably why he changed his name just before he married Sally Ann. He wanted to be a different kind of man with her. He's a kind of Jekyll and Hyde figure who has tried to split his personality.

The possible murder in 2002 is interesting. If true it predates the memory loss. Although Spector's friend from the children's home days confessed and there was DNA evidence, I would not put it past Spector to achieve both of these. I wonder if we'll find that Spector ws visiting him at the time, that Spector's friend woke up covered in blood after a drunken or drugged night and was persuaded by Spector that he must have done something terrible. I'm sure that Spector could aquire DNA eg strands of hair, from his friend fairly easily to leave at the scene.

The other thing that occurred to me during the programme was once again we saw Stella standing up for a woman - Sally Ann. Stella is almost like this caped crusader fighting for women in every possible way, whether it's catching a serial killer, encouraging more junior women at work, trying to prevent Spector's wife being further traumatised or showing both Rose Stagg and her husband how they can survive the terrible thing that has happened to her.

There is also something very personal about Stella's empathy with other women. It almost seems like she has experienced much of what they've been through. She has such certainty when she tells them that they can cope, they can get past it. For example both when she spoke of Sally Ann feeling like she's lost everything and when she told Rose that she had survived Spector's attack and it was in the past I got the impression that Stella had experienced something similar in her past.

I still like it but reality ... Nah!

I know ep 4 has aired in ireland already - is there anywhere to catch it online? I'm away from tomorrow and although I've done nothing but moan that it's too slow, have found myself strangely bereft at the thought of not being able to tune in on thursday!

It'll be on iplayer catch up when you get back

Or watch on YouTube

That's what I did the other week. Lasting by pool

I said ages ago that Daisy would be attacked probably by Katie or PS.. he actually suggested it way back that she had it coming
Am sure the nurse will turn out to be overly pious and try and save him. Already said she'd pray for him. Am sure she sees herself as his saviour. Initially thought out for revenge but now think like one of those crazy women who write to serial killers/ life prisoners and end up marrying them in jail. Annoying how she fiddles constantly i.e. his head, bed covers etc but obviously meant to prove a point that she's caring and conscientious . Pretty sure he will fall for her or see her as his guardian angel

Think Sally sedated the kids and she's thinking about a mass suicide as won't be able to stand the trial and the gossip. Maybe driving into the sea or gassing. Pretty grim. Bet she tries and gets saved at the last second

Wonder why PS has never seemed to show any interest in his son. Sally looked pretty wistful when looked at a photo of him with Liam. Even when he had full memory and was 'family man' he appeared to only have the bond with the daughter
Wonder what made him 'stuck' in 2006
Also not fully understanding.. was it one of his fellow children's home boys that committed a murder? or were they applying it was PS?

Was really touched by the scene where PS felt that he loved Olivia despite his haziness/confusion… possibly I shouldn't be touched by a scene with a sicko !

I have a question..
the photos that were discovered in the lockup
We know some depicted the mannequin in clothing.
But were some actually of PS himself in victims bras etc? Does it imply or show he got off on dressing in their underwear himself?