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Poldark - series 2

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snozzlemaid · 28/08/2016 20:58

One week to go. Anyone else can't wait?
I've just started to rewatch the first series. Not sure if I'll get to watch it all again before next Sunday though.

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beguilingeyes · 24/10/2016 14:55

So they made it look as though he forced her until she enjoyed it, the worst option. A lazy outdated stereotype.

Girliefriendlikesflowers · 24/10/2016 15:01

I found last nights episode quite shocking, is Elizabeth going to be pregnant now?

I didn't understand what he meant by saying 'he had to do it' Confused does he mean that Elizabeth now can't marry George?

Yes he definitely gone right down in my estimation, I also cheered when Demelza lamped him one!!

horseygeorgie1 · 24/10/2016 15:11

Oh God what an arse. I loved him in the first series, I was willing to overlook his flaws but not now! Complete twat.

Don't condone violence but good on ya Demelza. I do like her and she should be packing his bags about now. Not even an apology.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 24/10/2016 16:26

I think the Beeb have blown it here. That scene definitely crossed the line into rape territory. And the "Well she was gagging for it all along and she loved it" stereotype is just thoroughly unpleasant. They should have updated it for the times and made it more clearly consensual. I can't root for a rapist. Aiden Turner is gorgeous but I'm out.

Destinysdaughter · 24/10/2016 16:35

But if it was in the books then surely they had to show it. It wasn't something the writers of this series just made up...! Don't really get pp getting their knickers in such a twist about it TBH.

GruffaloZogTiddler · 24/10/2016 16:43

Just for anyone interested in next week's promo...

If you search on YouTube for poldark promo there are a couple of videos titled "season 2 episode 9 promo itv choice africa". For some reason not with the bbc, perhaps not an official promo but it seems to follow on from episode 8.

ludog · 24/10/2016 16:43

Destiny I agree. It's a pretty pivotal moment in the whole story and everything that follows can be traced back to it. You have to view it in the context of the society in which it's set. Also, Poldark is a man with a dark side and up to now I think AT's good looks have distracted us from that. In the books he's a very complex character which hasn't really come across in this remake.

Fedupofallthemud · 24/10/2016 16:44

I agree if it's in the book, and it's clearly a key moment then they have to include this. Otherwise people would be complaining that it's not true to the books (which, tbf people do a lot anyway!!)

Fedupofallthemud · 24/10/2016 16:45

X post!

Destinysdaughter · 24/10/2016 16:46

However the timing is somewhat unfortunate given the sensitivity of this subject right now...

Oblomov16 · 24/10/2016 16:49

I didn't really enjoy last nights episode. Presumably she will still marry George. Sex on wedding night presumably. Then she'll have a child - but Will it be george's child or Ross's? That's where I think this is going.

Destinysdaughter · 24/10/2016 16:51

Isn't that the plot of Bridget Jones' Baby? Lol

MorrisZapp · 24/10/2016 16:54

It's a no win for the BBC this one. Show him as a scumbag rapist and we lose sympathy. Show him as an adorable seductor and we lose credibility.

They went for the worst option, as pp said. Forced until she loved it. Fucking hell.

Isitadoubleentendre · 24/10/2016 17:01

But if it was in the books then surely they had to show it. It wasn't something the writers of this series just made up...! Don't really get pp getting their knickers in such a twist about it TBH.

They could have made her a bit more up for it though??? She was clearly saying that she didn't want to and he said 'oh yes I would, and you would too' - yuk. Couldn't there have just been a big dramatic pause where they looked at each other and then mutually kissed and then they could just start bonking?

As it was, last night was just grim.

ElspethFlashman · 24/10/2016 17:11

I have it recorded but don't think I'll watch it now. Anything else of interest happen to catch me up?

Fedupofallthemud · 24/10/2016 17:17

destiny when would a rape storyline ever not be sensitive timing??

Lulooo · 24/10/2016 17:41

In all of this, it's Demelza who has my sympathies. Noone else. In that era it would've been impossible to leave your man even if he turned out to be a philandering adulterer/rapist.

It also made me realise how difficult RL rape cases are. Elizabeth did yeilding to him and it did look consentual but he looked like he would have forced himself upon her regardless. Or maybe by saying "and you would too" it was an indication that he only did so as he knew she wanted him. In any case, if despite watching what happened were still split, imagine how difficult it is to decide when relying on his word/her word.

Dulra · 24/10/2016 17:47

Does anyone know how it was dealt with in the original series? I have read a lot of the books and a common thread running through them is how sexist and lecherous all the male character are to their and everyone else's women (with the exception of Dwight). I was appalled at Marks murder of karin in the first series and then everyone including poldark doing everything in their power to help this murderous domestic abuser escape! I am unsure why thar didn't get as much reaction as last nights episode. Ross from the beginning has been complex. He makes poor decisions a lot of the time and has an anger that sees many rages. I really don't know what I thought of last night's episode but it did stick closely imo to the books.

Lulooo · 24/10/2016 20:17

I've just watched the clip again on YouTube and is so.very clearly rape. The BBC writers/actors who described it as consensual are barking.

OhTheRoses · 24/10/2016 20:40

It was awful but has to be set in the context of its time. Elizabeth was promised to Ross. It mattered then when men and women weren't equal.

Look at Verity's self possession and independence as a woman married to a man supposedly who killed his wife. She was outcast by her family because of it.

A complex and interesting mix. DuMaurier reflected some of the complexity of the region from a later perspective often crossing time barriers.

Inkanta · 24/10/2016 21:04

No I don't think it was rape - as she was seen to be passionately embracing and kissing him and very much yielding.

Yes there was initial resistance.

Lorelei76 · 24/10/2016 21:59

Hope you don't mind a question from someone who hasn't read or watched it!
I have picked up on the rape from the media, so I was wondering if Poldark is meant to be a hero or a villain?

Heratnumber7 · 24/10/2016 22:01

If you read the book, it definitely wasn't rape.

WomanWithAltitude · 24/10/2016 22:01

So they made it look as though he forced her until she enjoyed it, the worst option. A lazy outdated stereotype.

Yep. It was awful. SadAngry

WomanWithAltitude · 24/10/2016 22:04

Or maybe by saying "and you would too" it was an indication that he only did so as he knew she wanted him.

Oh I'm sure all rapists kid themselves their victims want it really. How did he know? Was it the fact that she'd let him in? (No - he broke in, then refused to leave her bedroom) Was it when she repeatedly said no? Was it when he had to physically push her onto the bed, while she resisted?

It's shameful that the bbc turned this into a 'women say no but don't mean it, and they enjoy rape once they relax' travesty of a scene.

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